Usairdc9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (11 years 5 months 13 hours ago) and read 1316 times:
I am starting to take flying lessons on the Cessna
C-150 could someone please give me some information on the airplane such as safety,reliability,controls,ETC?
I will be paying $94.00 for two hours. 1 hour learning and 1 hour flying!!!!!!!!!!!
$50.00 for the Cessna C-150 -1 hour.
$42.00 for the Instructor -2 hours.
$2.00 for the headset -hour.
Those prices sound good dont they?
Where I will be taking it at, The runway is only 35 feet wide and something like 2,275 feet long. There is no ATC. So when I am on solo what would I do if something were to go wrong???!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!?????????
You can look up the school website at www.longaviation.com Please reply THANKS.........
Iainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (11 years 5 months 11 hours ago) and read 1209 times:
150's are great planes. I have 100+ hours in ints younger brother the 152. The prices seem reasonable, however I would be surprised if you use 2 hour on ground for 1 hour of flight. Time the time you spend on the ground being taught by your instructor, and make sure they do not rip you off (by charging you more for ground instruction which you do not have). It seems a bit cheap renting out headsets for $2, I would buy one ASAP. The airport sounds fine. You will be familiar with most things that can happen on your solo, and your instructor will more then likely have a transciever so if anything goes wrong he can shout at you. Once you get your license do try to get to busier airports this way you will not feel intermerdiated by bigger busy airports!
Usairdc9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (11 years 5 months 11 hours ago) and read 1190 times:
Thanks for your help.
The reason why I put 2 hours of instruction is one on the ground and one hour of instruction in the air, sorry that I didnt make that more clear.......
What exactly is a headset for?????????
What other kind of things will I need? Sunglasses? ETC?
He said that we will be flying to an airport with ATC so I can learn how to use it, but he will probably have a radio that I can talk to him on? My biggest fears are death, and getting lost!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Iainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (11 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 1186 times:
I understood what you meant, but many CFI's charge for more ground instruction then they give. Time him and make sure he does not charge you for more then he gave.
You have to go to a towered airport as part of your training, but you can find small towered airports what I suggest is getting very comfortable with them, and go to some of the larger ones. This will make you more confident and a better pilot.
Headset is for 2 reasons decreasing sound, and talking to your instructor/controller/fellow aviators. You will have an intercomm in the aircraft so you can speak to him and ATC at the same time, and so can your instructor.
Yeah I would take sunglasses, that is all I can really think that you will need. You will need more things later on, however your instructor will tell you what you need, as most of them you will have to buy.
Do not worry about getting lost, every pilot has got lost. You will learn what to do if you do get lost, it really is not a big deal!
Usairdc9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (11 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 1173 times:
What is a spin? I am learning about spin recovery...
What others things could go wrong? How many Cessna C-150's are in the USA? I think about 25,000 were made and on the FAA/NTSB websites it says that over 1,475 have had incidents or crashes from 1988 to 2001!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Flyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (11 years 5 months 9 hours ago) and read 1159 times:
Cessna 150s and 152s are quite safe if maintained well. They're very good training airplanes. The prices seem very reasonable.
Your airport will make you quite a good pilot compared to someone who trains on a 10000x150ft runway. You're only at 565' above the ground, so the length will not be an issue for takeoff or landing. The width will be somewhat of a challenge during crosswind landings early in your training, but you will soon grow used to it.
You don't need to worry about dying at all. Just be confident in yourself, but not overconfident. You might get scared every once in a while, but your CFI will do that so that you learn from your mistakes. He will never let anything get out of control and always predict your mistakes. He is also trained to know very well what you're capable of doing. For your solo flights, he will know what you can/can't do and inform you accordingly.
A spin is when the aircraft stalls and is uncordinated (you'll learn about what that is sooner or later). It then starts to do something that resembles a spiral dive. They can be quite deadly, that is why you are specifically trained on how to avoid them and how to recover from them if one happens.
And yes, you should buy a headset as soon as you economically can. They're something you're always going to use when flying. Get something that is comfortable (that you could wear for at least 3 hours without getting disturbed by it), within your price range, and has quality. I personally have a Dave Clark 13.4...its very comfortable and light, cost around $300 new.
De727ups From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 814 posts, RR: 14 Reply 9, posted (11 years 5 months 9 hours ago) and read 1162 times:
I checked out the web site. It's a small school at a small airport...fun place to learn how to fly. The rates are good. You are paying the CFI for an hour of ground time...if this is productive time, I've got no problem with it. If he's in drinking coffee while you pre-flight the aircraft...I'd be questioning it. It all depends on the attitude, motivation, and professionalism of the CFI.
The Cessna 150 is a great airplane. They have a high accident rate because they are used so heavily for training...makes sense.
Hopefully the school has a good mechanic. The problem with only having on Cessna 150 is the downtime if it breaks. You might ask them if they will give you the 172 at the 150 rate if the 150 is down for maintence. If they fix things promptly and get inspections done quickly...this won't be much of a problem.
Don't worry about no tower. I learned at an airport with no tower and was scared to death of them for a long time. You'll get some experience at towers because it's required by the FAR's but you'll still be weak in that area. If you can...listen to some of the tower lingo at some of these on-line ATC sites.
The good news is you'll make up for no tower with your prowess at landing on short, narrow, runways. This will make you a better pilot and is something that the guy learning at a big, towered, airport might be weak at. Just don't be afraid to go around if things don't look good on your landing approaches.
Usairdc9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (11 years 5 months 5 hours ago) and read 1119 times:
How high do you think that we will be going up on our first few flights?
When I fly solo can I elect which altitude I want to fly at?
I am still a little scared to fly even on large jets due to some earlier incidents that I have had.
I have come to realize that when god wants you, he will take you whether by car wreck,freak accident, or even an airplane crash. I understand that and will not let fear keep me from flying just I would feel more comfortable knowing 100% nothing will happen. I am not scared of death itself, but the impact mine will have on my family with whom I am very close with.
I can accept death, I have had MANY friends and family to die just recently 2 aunts and 1 friend..............
I wish that if I were to die there would be a way to say my last words but seeing as there is no black box on these airplanes I do not believe that I can.
In 2001 there were several fatal aircraft crashes in the Cessna C-150 in the USA. Mostly due to engine failure resulting in spin and one inverted flight. ...................
Strickerje From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 723 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (11 years 5 months 4 hours ago) and read 1110 times:
Congradulations on your decision to begin flight lessons! I currently fly a Cessna 172, which is similar to the 152 but with four seats. The 150 is a bit older, so some of the systems may be different, but overall they should be similar. These single-engine trainers are very safe and reliable. You may think that 1400 crashes in 13 years is a lot, but there are so many of those airplanes flying to make that number actually a very small percentage. As for the price, mine is considerably higher because I fly a 172, but the 152 I used to fly (while they still had it) was priced similarly to your school's 150. I would also recommend that you purchase a headset, because if you wait too long, you will have spent as much on rental as to actually buy one. True, you probably don't have to have a headset as the 150's and 172's have a handheld mic and cabin speaker, but with all the background noise, a headset makes it easier to hear and understand. I would personally recommend the LightSpeed Solo, which is very clear, quiet, and comfortable, and cost me $145 new. Online retailer has good deals if you like shopping online.
Death and getting lost-- well, neither are very likely, but getting lost is really not that big a deal as you will not be very far from the airport and you are generally low enough to be able to recognize some familiar ground objects. Lakes, schools, office buildings, etc will all help you find your way. Now as for death... well, hasn't happened to me yet. Also remember that your instructor will be with you; you can talk to him through your headset. (Talk without pressing the mic button on the yoke and the instructor can hear you; talk with the mic button held and other aircraft can hear you on the radio.)
The controls of the aircraft consist of a yoke and pedals which your instructor will explain further, but it is controlled the same way all aircraft are controlled. (with a few exceptions, for all of you Airbus freaks who'll try to explain to me what fly by wire is...) The 172 I fly is relatively smooth in flight, and that's in Mississippi where summer weather is often very turbulent. If you get sick easily, I'd recommend you take two Dramimine pills before each flight, especially in warm weather, as that is when motion sickness tends to be worse. This works very well for me.
What else could go wrong-- well, a lot, but the chance that a problem will actually be life-threatening is very slim. Good luck!
Serge From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1989 posts, RR: 3 Reply 14, posted (11 years 5 months 4 hours ago) and read 1103 times:
""What kind of plane would I learn to fly in?" Long Aviation conducts private pilot training in the students choice of the Cessna 150 or the Cessna 172. Both are equipped with state-of-the-art satellite navigation systems (color GPS), which are very rare in training aircraft."
-from the 'Learning to fly' section on longaviation.com..
Av8trxx From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 657 posts, RR: 7 Reply 15, posted (11 years 5 months 4 hours ago) and read 1113 times:
I also learned to fly in a Cessna 150- N16179. It is very small, and without a lot of Hp but it's fine for training. Once you get your license, then you can get a checkout in a Skyhawk and take a few friends. You will notice the extra performance! I guess it's been too long since I trained, but I couldn't fathom paying $42.00/hr for an instructor! I paid $25-30 tops. Geez, I must be gettin' old. I also have clubs in my area (SAN) that rent C150s for $43/hr, but schools are always $5-10/hr more, so I guess that rate is OK.
If you want to get the most bang for the buck, read all you can before going into your lesson. Do as much bookwork and learning about the airplane, maneuvers, ATC, ect BEFORE you fly. But the MOST important is to fly at least 3 times a week! The less you fly, the more you will pay in the long run as you have to re-learn parts of your previous flights if too much time passes. This just causes you to pay for the same instruction all over again. The avgerage student completes their private training in 70 hours. The min legally required is 40. Most do not finish in a condensed period of time, so they spend many extra hours & dollars re-learning previous tasks.
***JUST THINK: at $92 per hour it will cost you $2,760 MORE to get your license than if you finished in at (or near) 40 hours of training! That money is equal to 65 hours of flying alone in that C150!!! At those rates is will cost $3,680 to get your PPL at 40 hours. At the national avg of 70 hours to get to your checkride, it will cost you $6,440 (without ground instruction).****
Bottom line, if you make it your priority to finish ASAP, you will come away from getting your rating richer and have more money to spend on accumulating time PIC (pilot in command) as a Private instead of paying for a CFI sit sit next to you.
If you don't have the "Gleim Red Covered Book" that everyone uses to study for their PPL written- get one! Highlighting only the right anwsers on the multiple choice questions helps you to do better on the test. (An age old thing most all pilots did in training)
As a student pilot, check out these sites that are "of high relevance to (this) certain discussion" for helpful flight training information and advice:
Usairdc9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (11 years 5 months 1 hour ago) and read 1071 times:
Thanks ya'll have been alot of help! So what exactly is GPS? What will it tell me, ETC? I sooooo did not notice that!!!!!!!!!!! Obviously I am no aviation expert at least on the little planes. I plan on taking a couple of bonines like I have done before........... I would hate to stall the plane I dont see how people crash when they have engine failure cant they just kinda sort of nose dive it to get some lift and set it down in a field instead of spinning? I heard an ATC tape of a guy in a spin quite scary... How high will I be flying about???????????
Gocaps16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4304 posts, RR: 23 Reply 18, posted (11 years 5 months 1 hour ago) and read 1066 times:
Well, with the GPS and it's moving map, it'll be hard for you to be lost. You could get lost, but you'll easily manage to find your airport with the GPS and crosschecking your VORs to find your exact position on the sectional. No worries on geting lost. Also, don't be afriad to talk to ATC, they'll help ya.
TWAMD-80 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1006 posts, RR: 4 Reply 20, posted (11 years 5 months ago) and read 1052 times:
The C-150 is a good airplane. Right now I am taking flying lessons, but I am training in a C-172. The flight school that I go to has a number of C-150's. Actually I have flown a C-150, and it was a lot of fun. Because the C-150 is much lighter than the C-172, the controls on the 150 are much more sensitive than the controls on the C-172. As far as I know the 150 has a good saftey record.
That sounds like a good price that you are getting. Hey, don't worry about your solo. You will learn what to do if something goes wrong. I was a little nervous on my first solo, but when I got up in the air it was great. Have fun flying!
Two A-4's, left ten o'clock level continue left turn!
Strickerje From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 723 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (11 years 5 months ago) and read 1049 times:
Oh, one question I forgot to answer:
As for altitude, that may vary depending on your location. During my local VFR training flights, I stay below 3000 feet, as the area where my flight school operates is under the approach path of a nearby Jackson international airport (JAN). If I stay in the approach path, I stay under 1700 feet MSL (traffic pattern for the airport I use is 1000 feet AGL, or about 1300 feet MSL), since 1700 feet is the start of the JAN's Class D airspace, which requires 2-way radio communication with JAN approach control while in that airspace. If you have a large airport near you, your procedures will be similar, but if not, your altitude will generally be only restricted by weather. (under VFR, 500 feet below a ceiling, which is a broken or overcast cloud layer)
XFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3996 posts, RR: 36 Reply 22, posted (11 years 5 months ago) and read 1051 times:
Hey bro... I'm a CFI... Your first lesson will be familiarizing yourself with the airplane and how it feels... Just getting used to it. I have over 150 hours in C150's and they are fun little airplanes to fly. Altitude will be around 2000-3000 feet. When you do your first solo it will only be take-offs and landings around the traffic pattern of which the highest leg is 1000 feet above the ground.
We'll teach you what to do if you get lost.. the biggest trick is always keeping yourself oriented. My favorite remedy for being really lost is called IFR: "I follow roads". Find a road you know and take it back home. For your first 8 or so lessons before you solo youll just be learning the fundamentals of flying the airplane and get the basic ground schooling out of the way. It will be more flying than ground school. Mostly on these lessons I keep my students in the air for about an hour and 10 minutes and total time about an hour and a half for chagring with preflight and pre and post briefing. There will also be a couple dedicated ground school sessions tossed in there. Feel free to email me or holler at me on AOL instant messenger.
As far as dying: these planes just dont fall out of the sky. They take a beating and will treat you nicely if you treat them nicely. Relax and enjoy... it's a blast. Your instructor wont let you get in a situation he/she doesnt feel comfortable in too.
Usairdc9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1038 times:
Thanks again for all of the nice replies.......
The guy told me that the plane itself is fine but the seats are very worn........ I am a little scared of landing on that little runway and also getting air sickness
I still look forward however to flying!!!!!!!!! When I fly solo can I say for example I was to fly at 700 feet?
Also what kinda of lights are there? How easy is it to see around you in the airplane? Are there windows in the top like slits in the wings? At what angle will I be taking off at about and what will be my steepest?
Any more general information would and will be great.
Thanks alot people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
25 Iainhol: You will have no problem landing on little runways, once you become familar with it, it will be like parking a car in a garage. You might feel a litle
26 Usairdc9: Maybe a bonine or so will cut me out from barfing?