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User currently offlineUsairdc9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1671 times:

Hello,
I am starting to take flying lessons on the Cessna
C-150 could someone please give me some information on the airplane such as safety,reliability,controls,ETC?

I will be paying $94.00 for two hours. 1 hour learning and 1 hour flying!!!!!!!!!!!
$50.00 for the Cessna C-150 -1 hour.
$42.00 for the Instructor -2 hours.
$2.00 for the headset -hour.
Those prices sound good dont they?
Where I will be taking it at, The runway is only 35 feet wide and something like 2,275 feet long. There is no ATC. So when I am on solo what would I do if something were to go wrong???!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!?????????
You can look up the school website at www.longaviation.com Please reply THANKS.........


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User currently offlineUsairdc9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1585 times:

Just trying to get it back up to the top to get some help and answers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

User currently offlineKirstey From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1582 times:

www.studentpilot.com

User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1564 times:

150's are great planes. I have 100+ hours in ints younger brother the 152. The prices seem reasonable, however I would be surprised if you use 2 hour on ground for 1 hour of flight. Time the time you spend on the ground being taught by your instructor, and make sure they do not rip you off (by charging you more for ground instruction which you do not have). It seems a bit cheap renting out headsets for $2, I would buy one ASAP. The airport sounds fine. You will be familiar with most things that can happen on your solo, and your instructor will more then likely have a transciever so if anything goes wrong he can shout at you. Once you get your license do try to get to busier airports this way you will not feel intermerdiated by bigger busy airports!
Iain


User currently offlineUsairdc9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1545 times:

Hey,
Thanks for your help.
The reason why I put 2 hours of instruction is one on the ground and one hour of instruction in the air, sorry that I didnt make that more clear.......
What exactly is a headset for?????????
What other kind of things will I need? Sunglasses? ETC?
He said that we will be flying to an airport with ATC so I can learn how to use it, but he will probably have a radio that I can talk to him on? My biggest fears are death, and getting lost!!!!!!!!!!!!!


User currently offlineUsairdc9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1542 times:

Any good C-150 websites?

User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1541 times:

I understood what you meant, but many CFI's charge for more ground instruction then they give. Time him and make sure he does not charge you for more then he gave.
You have to go to a towered airport as part of your training, but you can find small towered airports what I suggest is getting very comfortable with them, and go to some of the larger ones. This will make you more confident and a better pilot.
Headset is for 2 reasons decreasing sound, and talking to your instructor/controller/fellow aviators. You will have an intercomm in the aircraft so you can speak to him and ATC at the same time, and so can your instructor.
Yeah I would take sunglasses, that is all I can really think that you will need. You will need more things later on, however your instructor will tell you what you need, as most of them you will have to buy.
Do not worry about getting lost, every pilot has got lost. You will learn what to do if you do get lost, it really is not a big deal!
Iain


User currently offlineUsairdc9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1528 times:

Hey,
What is a spin? I am learning about spin recovery...
What others things could go wrong? How many Cessna C-150's are in the USA? I think about 25,000 were made and on the FAA/NTSB websites it says that over 1,475 have had incidents or crashes from 1988 to 2001!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1514 times:

Cessna 150s and 152s are quite safe if maintained well. They're very good training airplanes. The prices seem very reasonable.

Your airport will make you quite a good pilot compared to someone who trains on a 10000x150ft runway. You're only at 565' above the ground, so the length will not be an issue for takeoff or landing. The width will be somewhat of a challenge during crosswind landings early in your training, but you will soon grow used to it.

You don't need to worry about dying at all. Just be confident in yourself, but not overconfident. You might get scared every once in a while, but your CFI will do that so that you learn from your mistakes. He will never let anything get out of control and always predict your mistakes. He is also trained to know very well what you're capable of doing. For your solo flights, he will know what you can/can't do and inform you accordingly.

A spin is when the aircraft stalls and is uncordinated (you'll learn about what that is sooner or later). It then starts to do something that resembles a spiral dive. They can be quite deadly, that is why you are specifically trained on how to avoid them and how to recover from them if one happens.

And yes, you should buy a headset as soon as you economically can. They're something you're always going to use when flying. Get something that is comfortable (that you could wear for at least 3 hours without getting disturbed by it), within your price range, and has quality. I personally have a Dave Clark 13.4...its very comfortable and light, cost around $300 new.

Aside from all this, don't forget to HAVE FUN!!  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineDe727ups From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 814 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1517 times:

I checked out the web site. It's a small school at a small airport...fun place to learn how to fly. The rates are good. You are paying the CFI for an hour of ground time...if this is productive time, I've got no problem with it. If he's in drinking coffee while you pre-flight the aircraft...I'd be questioning it. It all depends on the attitude, motivation, and professionalism of the CFI.

The Cessna 150 is a great airplane. They have a high accident rate because they are used so heavily for training...makes sense.

Hopefully the school has a good mechanic. The problem with only having on Cessna 150 is the downtime if it breaks. You might ask them if they will give you the 172 at the 150 rate if the 150 is down for maintence. If they fix things promptly and get inspections done quickly...this won't be much of a problem.

Don't worry about no tower. I learned at an airport with no tower and was scared to death of them for a long time. You'll get some experience at towers because it's required by the FAR's but you'll still be weak in that area. If you can...listen to some of the tower lingo at some of these on-line ATC sites.

The good news is you'll make up for no tower with your prowess at landing on short, narrow, runways. This will make you a better pilot and is something that the guy learning at a big, towered, airport might be weak at. Just don't be afraid to go around if things don't look good on your landing approaches.


User currently offlineUsairdc9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1490 times:

How much different is it in the Cessna C-150 then for example a DC-9?
Is it very bumpy more easily to get or be sick?????????


User currently offlineUsairdc9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1474 times:

Hello,
How high do you think that we will be going up on our first few flights?
When I fly solo can I elect which altitude I want to fly at?
I am still a little scared to fly even on large jets due to some earlier incidents that I have had.
I have come to realize that when god wants you, he will take you whether by car wreck,freak accident, or even an airplane crash. I understand that and will not let fear keep me from flying just I would feel more comfortable knowing 100% nothing will happen. I am not scared of death itself, but the impact mine will have on my family with whom I am very close with.
I can accept death, I have had MANY friends and family to die just recently 2 aunts and 1 friend..............
I wish that if I were to die there would be a way to say my last words but seeing as there is no black box on these airplanes I do not believe that I can.
In 2001 there were several fatal aircraft crashes in the Cessna C-150 in the USA. Mostly due to engine failure resulting in spin and one inverted flight.  Sad...................


User currently offlineStrickerje From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 723 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1465 times:

Congradulations on your decision to begin flight lessons! I currently fly a Cessna 172, which is similar to the 152 but with four seats. The 150 is a bit older, so some of the systems may be different, but overall they should be similar. These single-engine trainers are very safe and reliable. You may think that 1400 crashes in 13 years is a lot, but there are so many of those airplanes flying to make that number actually a very small percentage. As for the price, mine is considerably higher because I fly a 172, but the 152 I used to fly (while they still had it) was priced similarly to your school's 150. I would also recommend that you purchase a headset, because if you wait too long, you will have spent as much on rental as to actually buy one. True, you probably don't have to have a headset as the 150's and 172's have a handheld mic and cabin speaker, but with all the background noise, a headset makes it easier to hear and understand. I would personally recommend the LightSpeed Solo, which is very clear, quiet, and comfortable, and cost me $145 new. Online retailer has good deals if you like shopping online.

Death and getting lost-- well, neither are very likely, but getting lost is really not that big a deal as you will not be very far from the airport and you are generally low enough to be able to recognize some familiar ground objects. Lakes, schools, office buildings, etc will all help you find your way. Now as for death... well, hasn't happened to me yet.  Smile Also remember that your instructor will be with you; you can talk to him through your headset. (Talk without pressing the mic button on the yoke and the instructor can hear you; talk with the mic button held and other aircraft can hear you on the radio.)

The controls of the aircraft consist of a yoke and pedals which your instructor will explain further, but it is controlled the same way all aircraft are controlled. (with a few exceptions, for all of you Airbus freaks who'll try to explain to me what fly by wire is...) The 172 I fly is relatively smooth in flight, and that's in Mississippi where summer weather is often very turbulent. If you get sick easily, I'd recommend you take two Dramimine pills before each flight, especially in warm weather, as that is when motion sickness tends to be worse. This works very well for me.

What else could go wrong-- well, a lot, but the chance that a problem will actually be life-threatening is very slim. Good luck!

-Jeffrey Stricker


User currently offlineSerge From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1989 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1460 times:

No worries getting lost, I found this cockpit shot on your FBO's website of the C150 you are training in...



:D Big grin Big grin

It looks like its equipped with GPS.

...Serge


User currently offlineSerge From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1989 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1458 times:

""What kind of plane would I learn to fly in?" Long Aviation conducts private pilot training in the students choice of the Cessna 150 or the Cessna 172. Both are equipped with state-of-the-art satellite navigation systems (color GPS), which are very rare in training aircraft."  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

-from the 'Learning to fly' section on longaviation.com..

...Serge


User currently offlineAv8trxx From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 657 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1468 times:

I also learned to fly in a Cessna 150- N16179. It is very small, and without a lot of Hp but it's fine for training. Once you get your license, then you can get a checkout in a Skyhawk and take a few friends. You will notice the extra performance! I guess it's been too long since I trained, but I couldn't fathom paying $42.00/hr for an instructor! I paid $25-30 tops. Geez, I must be gettin' old. I also have clubs in my area (SAN) that rent C150s for $43/hr, but schools are always $5-10/hr more, so I guess that rate is OK.

If you want to get the most bang for the buck, read all you can before going into your lesson. Do as much bookwork and learning about the airplane, maneuvers, ATC, ect BEFORE you fly. But the MOST important is to fly at least 3 times a week! The less you fly, the more you will pay in the long run as you have to re-learn parts of your previous flights if too much time passes. This just causes you to pay for the same instruction all over again. The avgerage student completes their private training in 70 hours. The min legally required is 40. Most do not finish in a condensed period of time, so they spend many extra hours & dollars re-learning previous tasks.

***JUST THINK: at $92 per hour it will cost you $2,760 MORE to get your license than if you finished in at (or near) 40 hours of training! That money is equal to 65 hours of flying alone in that C150!!! At those rates is will cost $3,680 to get your PPL at 40 hours. At the national avg of 70 hours to get to your checkride, it will cost you $6,440 (without ground instruction).****

Bottom line, if you make it your priority to finish ASAP, you will come away from getting your rating richer and have more money to spend on accumulating time PIC (pilot in command) as a Private instead of paying for a CFI sit sit next to you.

If you don't have the "Gleim Red Covered Book" that everyone uses to study for their PPL written- get one! Highlighting only the right anwsers on the multiple choice questions helps you to do better on the test. (An age old thing most all pilots did in training)

As a student pilot, check out these sites that are "of high relevance to (this) certain discussion" for helpful flight training information and advice:

AirNav.com
Online airport information directory

FlightInfo.com
Awesome & informative pilot website. Lists all rating requirements and curriculum.

Your Pilots License: Getting Started
Flight Training and Pilot career advice

Please send me an E-mail for more on this topic since other helpful links l know of can't be posted as they might be removed for "advertising".


User currently offlineSophiemaltese From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2064 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1437 times:

Those prices do sound pretty good. Where do you live? I pay $95/hr just for the time in the plane (152) with a CFI. However, I've never paid for more than 1/2 hour of ground instruction at a time.

User currently offlineUsairdc9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1426 times:

Hello,
Thanks ya'll have been alot of help! So what exactly is GPS? What will it tell me, ETC? I sooooo did not notice that!!!!!!!!!!! Obviously I am no aviation expert at least on the little planes. I plan on taking a couple of bonines like I have done before........... I would hate to stall the plane I dont see how people crash when they have engine failure cant they just kinda sort of nose dive it to get some lift and set it down in a field instead of spinning? I heard an ATC tape of a guy in a spin quite scary... How high will I be flying about???????????


User currently offlineGocaps16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4347 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1421 times:

Well, with the GPS and it's moving map, it'll be hard for you to be lost.  Smile You could get lost, but you'll easily manage to find your airport with the GPS and crosschecking your VORs to find your exact position on the sectional. No worries on geting lost. Also, don't be afriad to talk to ATC, they'll help ya.

Kevin/DCA



SIX T'S!......TURN. TIME. TWIST. THROTTLE. TALK. TRACK.
User currently offlineUsairdc9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1412 times:

Hey,
At what altitude will I be flying at about???????????????


User currently offlineTWAMD-80 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1006 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1407 times:

The C-150 is a good airplane. Right now I am taking flying lessons, but I am training in a C-172. The flight school that I go to has a number of C-150's. Actually I have flown a C-150, and it was a lot of fun. Because the C-150 is much lighter than the C-172, the controls on the 150 are much more sensitive than the controls on the C-172. As far as I know the 150 has a good saftey record.

That sounds like a good price that you are getting. Hey, don't worry about your solo. You will learn what to do if something goes wrong. I was a little nervous on my first solo, but when I got up in the air it was great. Have fun flying!

TWAMD-80



Two A-4's, left ten o'clock level continue left turn!
User currently offlineStrickerje From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 723 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1404 times:

Oh, one question I forgot to answer:

As for altitude, that may vary depending on your location. During my local VFR training flights, I stay below 3000 feet, as the area where my flight school operates is under the approach path of a nearby Jackson international airport (JAN). If I stay in the approach path, I stay under 1700 feet MSL (traffic pattern for the airport I use is 1000 feet AGL, or about 1300 feet MSL), since 1700 feet is the start of the JAN's Class D airspace, which requires 2-way radio communication with JAN approach control while in that airspace. If you have a large airport near you, your procedures will be similar, but if not, your altitude will generally be only restricted by weather. (under VFR, 500 feet below a ceiling, which is a broken or overcast cloud layer)

-Jeffrey Stricker


User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4218 posts, RR: 37
Reply 22, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1406 times:

Hey bro... I'm a CFI... Your first lesson will be familiarizing yourself with the airplane and how it feels... Just getting used to it. I have over 150 hours in C150's and they are fun little airplanes to fly. Altitude will be around 2000-3000 feet. When you do your first solo it will only be take-offs and landings around the traffic pattern of which the highest leg is 1000 feet above the ground.

We'll teach you what to do if you get lost.. the biggest trick is always keeping yourself oriented. My favorite remedy for being really lost is called IFR: "I follow roads". Find a road you know and take it back home. For your first 8 or so lessons before you solo youll just be learning the fundamentals of flying the airplane and get the basic ground schooling out of the way. It will be more flying than ground school. Mostly on these lessons I keep my students in the air for about an hour and 10 minutes and total time about an hour and a half for chagring with preflight and pre and post briefing. There will also be a couple dedicated ground school sessions tossed in there. Feel free to email me or holler at me on AOL instant messenger.


As far as dying: these planes just dont fall out of the sky. They take a beating and will treat you nicely if you treat them nicely. Relax and enjoy... it's a blast. Your instructor wont let you get in a situation he/she doesnt feel comfortable in too.


-Denny



Chicks dig winglets.
User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4218 posts, RR: 37
Reply 23, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1403 times:

By the way.. that is a very nice Cessna 150 your school has. I'd love to fly that one.  Big grin


Chicks dig winglets.
User currently offlineUsairdc9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1393 times:

Hi,
Thanks again for all of the nice replies.......
The guy told me that the plane itself is fine but the seats are very worn........ I am a little scared of landing on that little runway and also getting air sickness
I still look forward however to flying!!!!!!!!! When I fly solo can I say for example I was to fly at 700 feet?
Also what kinda of lights are there? How easy is it to see around you in the airplane? Are there windows in the top like slits in the wings? At what angle will I be taking off at about and what will be my steepest?
Any more general information would and will be great.
Thanks alot people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


25 Iainhol : You will have no problem landing on little runways, once you become familar with it, it will be like parking a car in a garage. You might feel a litle
26 Post contains images Usairdc9 : Maybe a bonine or so will cut me out from barfing?
27 Usairdc9 : Any more help please????????????
28 Usairdc9 : Hey, Anyway to get a schloarship???????
29 Iainhol : I think the parental scholarship is the most common one. However there are some which wil require you to research. Iain
30 Gocaps16 : Do you have a job and could pay for your flight training? I was lucky enough to have my parents help pay for my training, as in a favor loan. I'm sure
31 Baec777 : I am also interested. Please show us more details.. 5-Ratings Pro Pilot Pkg, AP, PPL, CPL Licenses baec777
32 Baec777 : I am also interested. Please show us more details.. 5-Ratings Pro Pilot Pkg, AP, PPL, CPL Licenses baec777
33 De727ups : Don't worry about stalling and spinning into the ground. You'll learn what to do if the engine quits and how to avoid a stall/spin. The guy on the tap
34 Post contains links Av8trxx : "I would hate to stall the plane I don't see how people crash when they have engine failure can't they just kinda sort of nose dive it to get some lif
35 Iainhol : Written by DE727UPS: --------------------------------- Your comments about death are interesting....if you're last words and thoughts are all that imp
36 Post contains images Usairdc9 : Good evening everyone! Thanks again for the great help! 727-Yeah I was thinking about writing a letter and leaving it somewhere, where it could be eas
37 Post contains images YWG : If you live in canada, join the air cadets. They will train you for 7 weeks over the summer for FREE! And, to top it off, they'll pay you $60 a week j
38 Post contains links and images QFTJT : Hi Usairdc9, http://www.cessna150-152.com/ Everything you need to know about the Cessna 150 and 152. The Cessna 150/2 is a great aircraft, which I fir
39 Racers22 : I currently have about 40 hours in a C152 which is very similar to what you will be learning in. In response to your question on the pitch of the plan
40 Post contains images Nicolaki : The View from the 150/2 is great. This is the plane you'd want to take some friends sightseeing since the view of the ground is not obscurated.
41 Sophiemaltese : The first time you solo, it will amaze you how much faster the plane climbs without the instructor in the right seat. This didn't make much difference
42 Sophiemaltese : re: the parental scholarships... I wish I'd decided to learn to fly years ago, maybe I'd have one. Now I have the "I go to work every day" scholarship
43 Post contains links Strickerje : Nice picture Nicolaki, what airport is that? Very good point about sightseeing, as in a high-wing aircraft, it is easier to see the ground. This also
44 Post contains links Av8trxx : Re: Flight Scholarships Don't expect to find one that pays for your Private. Most want to see commitment, so are only for advanced ratings. There are
45 QFTJT : Re: Flight Scholarships I got $500 from Qantas for my private pilot licence and I'm still in high school. QFTJT
46 Usairdc9 : QFTJT- How did you get them to give you money? I talked to John Long the owner of Long Aviation and he said that I could do some odd jobs around there
47 QFTJT : Hi Usairdc9, My $500 dollars from Qantas was for academic achievements for the year 2000, of Qantas employees, but it sure helps. It is really importa
48 Post contains images Usairdc9 : Hello, I have 2 motorcycles in NC that I need to sell a 1972 Honda CL 350 and a 1971 Honda CL 350 for $175-$200.00 each which will hopefully get me a
49 De727ups : Dude....I bet your mom is freakin about you taking lessons. I don't know what kind of plane that is in the above report.
50 Soku39 : Does anyone know about how many lessons it would take to get your basic private pilots liscence flying twice a week. Thanks.
51 Usairdc9 : Hey, Just trying to get it back up to the top so it can still be seen by other learners! Please go to the new forum though for more news! Thanks in ad
52 Post contains images VS11 : I am not pilot myself but I do plan to take flight lessons during the summer, if I manage to get a job . However, I would suggest to you to buy somebo
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