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User currently offlinePU803 From Israel, joined Aug 1999, 153 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1727 times:

Hi every one!
According with www.observa.com.uy UA will finish its flights to EZE soon. Is it true?
c u
Ido

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User currently offlineBacardi182 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1603 times:

What do you mean by "finish" it's flights soon? Even with the bad economy in argentina I am sure the beatiful people could still afford their shoping trips to miami. I am sure the buisness men still need to get back and forth so it would seem insane if United cut their flights. I am sure American wouldn't mind taking their rights to miami and have 3 daily flights! What ever happened to continental getting their rights to fly to eze? 1 out of 3 americans down there had to be from houston, and with all the oil buisness a flight to H-town would have to make money.

User currently offlineAirafriqueDKR From United States of America, joined May 2001, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1560 times:

Continental was awarded rights to operate EWR-EZE by the DOT. They were planning to start the route this past december but asked the DOT to defer the start up date. Their request was denied and the DOT allowed other airlines sumbit requests for the unused frequecies. I don't know what the outcome was though.

User currently offlineFrostbite From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 396 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1548 times:

If I'm not mistaken....traffic rights awarded to CO for EWR-EZE were reallocated to DL when CO postponed their entry into the market. A real coup for DL, as for a long time the ATL-EZE route was #1 on DL's international expansion list.

I have a hard time believing UA would axe their EZE services altogether. If so...great news for their competition, especially DL, the new kid on the block.


User currently offlineHoffa From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1531 times:

If UA files for bankruptcy, I would expect this to happen. UA is probably in worse shape than Argentina at the moment!

User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32613 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1524 times:

UA, pull out of Argentina? I doubt it. Even with the current economic situations aside, MIA-EZE is an immensely profitable route and fills up biz and first almost everyday. They did suspend JFK-EZE, but it is back.

Bacardi, more like 1 out 3 Americans in Buenos Aires are from Miami. Oil is not that big in Argentina. Venezuela is were it is huge.

CO recieved the rights for EWR-EZE, but postponed them. Then it was between UA (IAD), DL (JFK), and AA (DFW). Don't know what happened since then. If UA suspendeds the flights, AA will take, without hesitation, MIA-EZE and gladly make it triple-daily. It is reportedly thier most profitable route outside of the LHR flights.



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User currently offlineMatt777 From Cayman Islands, joined Oct 2001, 503 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1491 times:

Hi everyone!
I am so sad that my favourite airline, the one that got me from Argentina to the world more than 10 times, leave my country. Although I think the routes are very profitable...

I think that the spot was given to Aerolineas Arg. insted of CO... In EZE-LAX route... can anyone confirm this?

Regards from Argentina  Big thumbs up
Matt Vivaldi.


User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32613 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1479 times:

Matt777, nothing to be sad about, they are not leaving Argentina. The spot was not given to AR on EZE-LAX instead of CO on EWR-EZE, because AR already had EZE-LAX (though they have yet to resume it, will they?).


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User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1465 times:

Hi:

Probabvly United won't cut the route to EZE but will reduce the flight. Maybe cancel the route to Chicago.

Regards,
RJ_Delta.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16820 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1433 times:

In the route awarding DL received ATL-EZE, then the following year CAL was awarded EWR-EZE. However CAL saw that Argentina's economy was down the tubes so asked for a deferal, when forced to chose between launching it immediately or loosing it CAL decided not to launch it.

DAL was then awarded the frequency for JFK-EZE, however they too wanted a deferal. Next was UA's application for EZE-LAX, UA when awarded decided they wanted to fly the route from IAD instead of LAX. When forced to chose between LAX or no flight at all UAL chose no flight.

The transportation Dept thus decided to postpone the new route awarding indefinetly.

All this came about as the US and Argentina were preparing for an openskies agreement, that's now impossible because of the political instability in Buenos Aires. So DL was the only carrier to receive a new EZE frequency, the ATL flight was not taken away but was to be the first of many new route awards.

However after a year of flying ATL-EZE, and the other airlines watching DL's performance the realization was that this route was not going to make anyone any money for the forseeable future.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32613 posts, RR: 72
Reply 10, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1409 times:

How is ATL-EZE? It didn't take long for it to downgrade from an MD-11. I had heard it was doing pretty well, but recently read that it is now doing poorly. Though with the current economic situation in Argentina, outside of the Miami (4x daily) and New York (2x daily) markets , there really is not demand to go there. Hopefully that will change soon. I do think if UA cuts in Argentina, it will be ORD-EZE-MVD, with the MVD segment moving to JFK or MIA (more likely JFK, since that flight is a 763 and AA already has MIA-EZE-MVD).

Why was UAL forced to fly LAX-EZE or nothing at all? Why were they against IAD-EZE?



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User currently offlineLima From Argentina, joined May 1999, 1122 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1363 times:

The article at Observador (Uruguayan newspaper) states it would first reduce frequency and ultimately cancel all services. The reason is because United has (as almost all people in Argentina) their accounts freezed and thus unable to retire US dollars. This causes problems when expenses are abroad or when repatriating funds.

Not only United but other airlines are also asking the government to ease the restrictions, if not they would be forced to stop flying. Airliners are lobbying through JURCA, the association of all airlines operating in the country.

British Airways already to reduced weekly flights to three, from six a week.



User currently offlineBacardi182 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1305 times:

Well i hope that UA doesn't give up on argy! If EZE looses all of her foreign airlines then what will happen? AR is not dependable enough for buisness travelers, so without a good airline to get US buisness men down there, how will US buisness' survive? If US buisness fails in argentina then why would our government continue to help (the only reason the US government even cares about argentina is because of all the US money invested)? The country could easily go straight to hell if united starts the domino effect!

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16820 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1284 times:

UA had to take LAX or nothing because that's what they applied for, if DL and CAL couldn't alter their application (they wanted to push back the dates they would launch the service) UAL couldn't change theirs either.

They went by the original applications, no changes. Since no one wanted to obied by what they pledged in their initial applications then the whole process was suspended indefinetly.

Also ATL-EZE is losing DL lots of money, their sticking it out hoping that it will benefit them in the future.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1274 times:

Regarding BA, their ops table says the thrice-weekly will last until 31 March.

I presume that after this date, they will re-evaluate their situation in Argentina and increase/reduce flights accordingly.

I'm flying with BA on the 25th March to EZE. Yay!!

Regards


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