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User currently offlineDavid B. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Posted (12 years 8 months 22 hours ago) and read 819 times:

http://www.elal.com/flights/route-map/index.htm
Notice on flight routes to Asia, they seem to fly around arab countries. Is this to avoid trouble? If the US can fly over hostile airspace like Iran for so many years, howcome Israel cant?



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User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (12 years 8 months 22 hours ago) and read 722 times:

Simply because these countries would not grant LY permission to overfly their territory. At least they aren't trying to shoot down LY a/c over international water anymore.  Smile


LY744.



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User currently offlineParra From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 8 months 21 hours ago) and read 707 times:

Also El Al is owned and controlled by the government and is a flag carrier whereas US airlines are private companies.

Having looked at the map I was surprised at how many destination El Al serve especially in Ukraine.


User currently offlineOD-BWH From Kuwait, joined Jan 2002, 399 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (12 years 8 months 16 hours ago) and read 685 times:

"At least they aren't trying to shoot down LY a/c over international water anymore."

have they shot any LY aircraft previously? I don't think so. Plz correct me if i'm mistaken.

MEA and all airlines departing Beirut head west, even if their intended destination is in the south. Why? simply b'coz they are not allowed to overfly the Israeli airspace. In return, El Al is not allowed to overfly any Arabian airspace (except Jordan and Egypt).

It's different how US aircraft pass thru the Iranian airspace!!! And I don't know if IranAir will be able to fly to the US soon...



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User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (12 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 672 times:

Is it just a fluke in the route map or do El Al planes really go over the southwestern tip of Yemen on their way to India?

Aaron G.


User currently offlineOD-BWH From Kuwait, joined Jan 2002, 399 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (12 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 661 times:

No it's real. All Israeli registered planes are not allowed to overfly arab airspace.


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User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 667 times:

more than just Arab airspace!

EL AL planes don't overfly the Arab nations of Lebanon, Syria, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, Qatar, Iraq, Bahrain, Yemen, Libya, and Oman. They also don't overfly the Muslim nations of Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Malaysia, Indonesia, as these countries have decided to not recognize the state.

In responce, Israel meekly returns the favor, although I think its far less of an inconvenience on the Arab side considering a jetliner could cross Israeli airspace in less than 10 minutes.

To answer Aaron's question, that is a mistake. Yemen threatened EL AL a few months ago warning them to keep their planes farther away. It was discussed in the military aviation when someone asked how many minutes it would take for Israel to destroy the Yemeni Air Force. The planes now fly closer to Eritrea.

Israeli planes can overfly Egypt and Jordan I believe but I don't think they have much reason to.

Has LY ever served Amman?

TNNH


User currently offlineLY772 From Israel, joined Aug 2001, 1340 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (12 years 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 655 times:

Amman? El Al serves Amman through Israir.

Imagine This:
El Al flying over Iraq and suddenly some engine problems and they have to make an emergency landing...Mr. Hussein wouldn't like that!


User currently offlineAio86 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 928 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 645 times:

On a different note...

What are El Al's schedules like to Cairo? How often do they fly there and with what equipment (737 I'd guess)

Thanks,
-aio86


User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4781 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (12 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 639 times:

The detour to Bombay is pretty ridiculous.

User currently offlineOD-BWH From Kuwait, joined Jan 2002, 399 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (12 years 8 months 12 hours ago) and read 633 times:

Aio86: i've checked their schedule to Cairo... it's included in the route map, but no flights were listed at all. I think flights are temporarily suspended.

LY772: Don't imagine anything, coz LY is not allowed to overfly these places.

Add to this, a small Lebanese Cessna was shot last year by the Israeli's, b'coz at approached the South borders... Actually it was shot miles away from the Israel, and it was still flying over the Lebanese airspace... I donno why, maybe they suspected in it aiming to destroy a skyscrapper or something!!! (note: this was prior to 9/11). So could you plz instead imagine an MEA having troubles near the Israeli airspace, and having to make an emergency landing there? Plz let me know before Mr. Sharon shoots it.



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