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Delta's Pacific Routes  
User currently offlineMatt777 From Cayman Islands, joined Oct 2001, 503 posts, RR: 6
Posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2087 times:

Hi everyone,

Some weeks ago Delta Airlines cut off some of their Pacific Routes, leaving ATL-Tokio as the only pacific route.
Delta is currently expanding its Huge Atlantic network...

Now, wait a second ... United is not doing good, right. I am a strong United fan but I think that there is a trend, a trend that said bye bye to PanAm & TWA. I think that Ual has followed a sequence of events that are similar to Pan Am's ... This is pan am's... (correct me if wrong)
(After becoming the worlds biggest airline, made it inefficient, problems began to appear and people stop flying the airline. Then they began to sell their routes (Pacific=>UA Atlantic=>DA South A=>AA) finally in 1991 Pan am declared bankrupcy.)

Is Delta (or any other carrier) waiting for UAl to sell the pacific routes for a small amount of money insted of building it up?
Also, do you think that my theory is correct (about the trend)?

Note: I always have some hope that my favourite airline will survive, but  Crying this economic recession, the loss of customers that black summer (employee strikes), USAir merger fail, Sept 11 ... all those are events made United lose money, cut traffic etc...

Go UAL & DAL 777s!
Post your opinions please...  Big thumbs up
Regards from Argentina
Matt Vivaldi.

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User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2059 times:

Delta has been scaling back in Asia for some time. It used to fly from Atlanta, Los Angeles, and Portland to Tokyo and then dropped the PDX-NRT flight to open a JFK-NRT flight which was scrapped after 9/11. Delta also had Portland-Nagoya, Portland-Seoul. The Seoul route was dropped and the Portland-Nagoya flight was transferred to Los Angeles before it was closed. Delta also had an extension of its PDX-SEL flight to Hong Kong. That too, didn't last.

Delta's first transpacific flights were on the L1011-500 and then they switched to the MD11 from 1991 on.


User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2102 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2041 times:

It's an interesting theory an does exist within the realm of possibilities. Delta has been raising lots of cash lately (sale of bonds, stock, etc.) to be used for "general corporate purposes". That sounds a little cagey and secretive to me. Maybe they're preparing for some sort of purchase and we all know how inadeqaute Delta's route network is in Asia. Do I think it could happen? Yes. Do I think it will happen? NO. I don't think United would want to give up that cash cow.

User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33679 posts, RR: 71
Reply 3, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2026 times:

Delta also flew Portland-Fukoka until late 1999 and Portland-XXX??-Bangokok.

User currently offlinePA006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2018 times:


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2003 times:

Are Pacific routes that bad in the cash department?

With Pan Am, TWA, and probably United getting ready to sell their PAC routes, that is weird.

Pan Am:The World's Most Experienced Airline - P(oor) S(ailor's) A(irline): San Diego's Hometown Airline-Catch Our Smile!
User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1953 times:

UA wouldn't and won't sell its Pacific routes. No airline nowadays would be stupid enough to repeat Pan Am's and TWA's mistakes in the area of route sales.

Aaron G.

User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1933 times:

Southwest announced today that they will start several new Chicago (Midway)-West Coast nonstop flights in March of this year, among them MDW-SEA, MDW-OAK, and MDW-PHX. In my opinion, this is a major step up by Southwest in the Chicago market. Pretty much the one single area that the major carriers haven't had to deal with WN out of Chicago (besides Int. routes, of course) has been the West Coast. Granted, ATA has had low-coast flights to PHX, LAX, SFO, and I believe SEA for a long time now. However, WN's new flights I believe will have both a significant pyschological effect on those people travelling between America's 3rd largest city and the West, and subsequently shake up the market a little bit. I think we'll see lower fares from the majors on the new routes over the next few months as Southwest will undoubtedly launch a sale to herald these new routes. As I also believe that these routes will be very successful for WN, I think that in the future we'll see MDW-SJC, MDW-LAX, and MDW-SAN.


Aaron G.

User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1914 times:

Okay...this is weird...I mean for my last post to be a new topic. Website mishap or something...I'll repost it on the full forum.

Aaron G.

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