Ikarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1391 times:
Yay! Congratulations to Boeing!
Although they must have made one hell of an offer to convince Ryanair to buy new planes instead of used ones. I wonder whether they'll make any profit on these 737s at all, apart from keeping the production line running...
Ndebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2895 posts, RR: 25 Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1346 times:
I agree with Ikarus. Ryanair planned to cancel all their orders, in favour to buy some cheap second-hand 737classics. Or maybe Ryanair only made that 737classic statement in order to make Boeing offer the 737NG even cheaper?!!
RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7694 posts, RR: 5 Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1335 times:
If FR does order 75-100 738's, I think this will likely also cinch the order for US (EasyJet) to order 75 73G's.
Well, this will keep the Renton, WA production busy for some time, especially with the likely chance that WN will do its regular deliveries for 73G's for 2002, especially with WN planning to do longer flights from MDW.
I think the unknown of how the Airbus A319/A320 will work maintainance-wise on the type of high-frequency service FR and U2 does probably cinched the deal.
Nighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 4989 posts, RR: 38 Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1310 times:
thats a hell of alot of aircraft! With easyjet also buying 75 aircraft, theres gonna be a lot of budget flights on the go! What a time for BMIbaby to launch with two 737s. I bet this news makes them shake in thier boots, and feel very inadequite, what a shame, i really liked thier livery... NOT!!!
Artsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4741 posts, RR: 43 Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1289 times:
I am also delighted that Boeing won this contract. I think you can be sure that Boeing are still making money on this deal. While the industry is struggling, Boeing isnt in the business of charity work, and will be turning a profit as usual.
Gerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3480 posts, RR: 34 Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1253 times:
Ryanair played in my opinion a wonderful game. They asked Airbus for an order. Airbus - knowing, that their chances are very limited - make a top order, which Boeing then has to counter with high discounts.
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Andreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 34 Reply 13, posted (11 years 4 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1241 times:
Are they actually buying these aircraft or will there be leasing company that enters into the deal? I find it rather unusual that a low-cost carrier such as FR does want to build up so much assets on its Balance Sheet.
Sounds all a bit...strange; indeed, let's wait until tomorrow.
Nighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 4989 posts, RR: 38 Reply 15, posted (11 years 4 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1185 times:
In last weeks Flight International it mentioned that boeing had opened up a second roling production line for the 737, so landing both deals should not be aproblem for Boeing. It would be nice to see EZY going with the Airbus, that would make a change from the traditional 737 route of budget airlines, but i think it is very unlikely, unless they plan on replacing thier current 737s and running an all airbus fleet. Having two different plane types will just cause problems and extra costs for maintenance, training etc..
Scottb From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6363 posts, RR: 34 Reply 16, posted (11 years 4 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1175 times:
I'd imagine that Ryanair came to the decision to purchase new planes on its own. Why? I suspect Ryanair's plan was to obtain used 737-300 and -400 aircraft which were being parked/returned to lessors. I don't believe they had plans to buy 737 classics (i.e. -200 series aircraft) due to higher maintenance costs and lower fuel efficiency.
The problem, of course, is that while about 250 737-200's have been parked in the wake of 9/11, there are only about 30 newer-generation 737's (-300,-400,-500) parked; LH won't sell theirs to Ryanair and CO is likely to return theirs to service as the economy improves. So, while they could pick up a few on the used market, they likely couldn't find enough to expand the fleet as extensively as they'd planned. Moreover, since the newer 737's are still in relatively short supply, I'd imagine that the leasing/purchase costs haven't fallen very much.
I think Ryanair made their order a competition between Airbus and Boeing in order to obtain the best price possible. Simple as that. If Airbus had made them an offer which Boeing was unwilling to match, they likely would have gone with Airbus.
SegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (11 years 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1054 times:
Actually, the Airbus doesn't handle well for high-cycle usage, coming from friends in fleet analysis at United and Northwest.. the busses tend to break if they hit the runway too many times in a day versus the Boeing...
Hence why Southwest and other low-cost operators doing short haul prefer the Boeing 737 over the Airbus.... (to counter future arguments, most of JetBlue's runs are over 2 hours long)...