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It's Official Boeing Wins Ryanair Order  
User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Posted (12 years 11 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2249 times:

Cnn reports

Ryanair plans to hold a joint press conference with Boeing in London on Thursday. Sources would not give the exact number of orders or options.

http://money.cnn.com/2002/01/23/international/ryanair

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User currently offlineAOMlover From Singapore, joined Jul 2001, 1308 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (12 years 11 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2118 times:

Grrrrrrrrrrrr  Angry
I'd have prefered Airbus !  Sad
 Pissed


User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4466 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (12 years 11 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2070 times:

I would assume that the order would be for 75 737-800 series aircraft. It sure didn't take long for Boeing to wrap up this competition.


"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
User currently offlineIkarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (12 years 11 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2042 times:

Yay! Congratulations to Boeing!

Although they must have made one hell of an offer to convince Ryanair to buy new planes instead of used ones. I wonder whether they'll make any profit on these 737s at all, apart from keeping the production line running...

Regards

Ikarus


User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 11 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2020 times:

CNN reports that Ryanair could take up to 100 B737s, however, it also haas this quote:

Ryanair's order for 75 Boeing 737's would be worth about $4.2 billion, according to list prices.

So I guess the order is between 75 and 100?



User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4466 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (12 years 11 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2015 times:

Do we have an idea when these birds will start being delivered to Ryanair?


"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2901 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (12 years 11 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1997 times:

I agree with Ikarus. Ryanair planned to cancel all their orders, in favour to buy some cheap second-hand 737classics. Or maybe Ryanair only made that 737classic statement in order to make Boeing offer the 737NG even cheaper?!!

User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8034 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (12 years 11 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1986 times:

If FR does order 75-100 738's, I think this will likely also cinch the order for US (EasyJet) to order 75 73G's.

Well, this will keep the Renton, WA production busy for some time, especially with the likely chance that WN will do its regular deliveries for 73G's for 2002, especially with WN planning to do longer flights from MDW.

I think the unknown of how the Airbus A319/A320 will work maintainance-wise on the type of high-frequency service FR and U2 does probably cinched the deal.


User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5180 posts, RR: 33
Reply 8, posted (12 years 11 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1961 times:

thats a hell of alot of aircraft! With easyjet also buying 75 aircraft, theres gonna be a lot of budget flights on the go! What a time for BMIbaby to launch with two 737s. I bet this news makes them shake in thier boots, and feel very inadequite, what a shame, i really liked thier livery... NOT!!!


That'll teach you
User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (12 years 11 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1940 times:

I am also delighted that Boeing won this contract. I think you can be sure that Boeing are still making money on this deal. While the industry is struggling, Boeing isnt in the business of charity work, and will be turning a profit as usual.

Jer


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7302 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (12 years 11 months 2 days ago) and read 1917 times:

Lets see what happens tomorrow......





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User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 30
Reply 11, posted (12 years 11 months 2 days ago) and read 1904 times:

Ryanair played in my opinion a wonderful game. They asked Airbus for an order. Airbus - knowing, that their chances are very limited - make a top order, which Boeing then has to counter with high discounts.




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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7437 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (12 years 11 months 2 days ago) and read 1894 times:
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How much spare capacity does Boeing have to accomodate both Ryanair and easyJet if both these airlines want aircraft delivered in the same timescale?

Having said that, a couple of weeks ago, one Sunday newspaper said easyJet had a "done deal" with Airbus for the A319.

David/MAN


User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 13, posted (12 years 11 months 2 days ago) and read 1892 times:

Are they actually buying these aircraft or will there be leasing company that enters into the deal? I find it rather unusual that a low-cost carrier such as FR does want to build up so much assets on its Balance Sheet.
Sounds all a bit...strange; indeed, let's wait until tomorrow.
Regards
Andreas



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User currently offlineFDXmech From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3251 posts, RR: 34
Reply 14, posted (12 years 11 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1864 times:

This is one smart airline.

Boeing and Airbus aside, most airlines place orders during boom times and take delivery when business nosedives.

Ryanair will get maximum mileage out of this deal.



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User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5180 posts, RR: 33
Reply 15, posted (12 years 11 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1836 times:

In last weeks Flight International it mentioned that boeing had opened up a second roling production line for the 737, so landing both deals should not be aproblem for Boeing. It would be nice to see EZY going with the Airbus, that would make a change from the traditional 737 route of budget airlines, but i think it is very unlikely, unless they plan on replacing thier current 737s and running an all airbus fleet. Having two different plane types will just cause problems and extra costs for maintenance, training etc..


That'll teach you
User currently offlineScottb From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6826 posts, RR: 32
Reply 16, posted (12 years 11 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1826 times:

I'd imagine that Ryanair came to the decision to purchase new planes on its own. Why? I suspect Ryanair's plan was to obtain used 737-300 and -400 aircraft which were being parked/returned to lessors. I don't believe they had plans to buy 737 classics (i.e. -200 series aircraft) due to higher maintenance costs and lower fuel efficiency.

The problem, of course, is that while about 250 737-200's have been parked in the wake of 9/11, there are only about 30 newer-generation 737's (-300,-400,-500) parked; LH won't sell theirs to Ryanair and CO is likely to return theirs to service as the economy improves. So, while they could pick up a few on the used market, they likely couldn't find enough to expand the fleet as extensively as they'd planned. Moreover, since the newer 737's are still in relatively short supply, I'd imagine that the leasing/purchase costs haven't fallen very much.

I think Ryanair made their order a competition between Airbus and Boeing in order to obtain the best price possible. Simple as that. If Airbus had made them an offer which Boeing was unwilling to match, they likely would have gone with Airbus.


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (12 years 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1802 times:

One thing is for sure it's 1-0 for Boeing in the European low cost deivision.

Airbus forcasted to have 300 orders this year. Does anybody know the forcast for Boeing (I know the forcast 380 deliveries but I haven't heard a Boeing forcast.

Regards
Laurens


User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 11 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1705 times:

Actually, the Airbus doesn't handle well for high-cycle usage, coming from friends in fleet analysis at United and Northwest.. the busses tend to break if they hit the runway too many times in a day versus the Boeing...

Hence why Southwest and other low-cost operators doing short haul prefer the Boeing 737 over the Airbus.... (to counter future arguments, most of JetBlue's runs are over 2 hours long)...

-nate


User currently offlineBoeing in Pdx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (12 years 11 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1655 times:

Didn't you all expect this. Low cost carriers don't buy airbus

User currently offlineJmacias34 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 379 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (12 years 11 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1632 times:

I think you mean Short Hop, as jetBlue, and Frontier are Low Cost Carrier and they fly longer flights...

Didn't you all expect this. Short Hop carriers don't buy airbus.

At least in my mind this makes more sense. I'd also like to know on which routes Frontier uses its 5 A319s?


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5944 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (12 years 11 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1568 times:

Frontier flies to Dallas with 319s a lot... saw one here on January 5...

Randy


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