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JetBlue At MidAmerica Airport  
User currently offlinePropilotJW From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 589 posts, RR: 7
Posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1842 times:

Hello, here in BLV, we heard rumors of JetBlue coming into MidAmerica Airport. Has anyone heard this? I worked there until I was laid off due to Pan Am pulling out (Dec. 3, 2001). MidAmerica (BLV) doesn't seem like it would be an airport that JetBlue would like. There are no services at the airport. No Car rentals, the absolute closest hotels are 15 mins away, no filling stations in site, not nearly enough parking (in part b/c of the sept. 11 event b/c they block off parking 250ft in front of the terminal if there is an air carrier). There are no restaurants in the terminal, just 1 vending machine and one soda machine. The nearest place to eat is a good 5 miles away. It just dosen't seem to fit. JetBlue and BLV. anyone see it in the future?

-Capt. Jeffrey

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User currently offlineN202PA From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1553 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1771 times:

Captain,

It's an interesting idea...now, granted, the services apparently didn't turn out for Pan Am, but for a more serious airline like jetBlue, they just might. After all, the passenger volume would sure be higher than Pan Am, so you could justify having a few car rental companies/"express" fast food stands, etc.

Also (and you can correct me if I'm wrong about this), my perception is that the government officials controlling BLV are desperate to get a carrier in there and promote the airport's growth, so that the project doesn't end up being a complete white elephant. This might benefit jetBlue greatly, in that they'd possibly get reduced landing fees, free gate space, etc. in order to be the "seed" airline, so to speak. Perhaps that way BLV could craft itself a niche in being the airport that all of the discount airlines and charters serve in the STL area.

I do agree that BLV does not seem like jetBlue's typical airport--but, then, jetBlue is not a typical airline. I could see it happening, especially since competition in the area has taken a major hit with TWA getting eaten up by AA. Perhaps a JFK-BLV-LGB route would work well. Or a IAD-BLV-FLL route. The possibilities are rather interesting. I'm going to keep this one on my radar.



User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7969 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1740 times:

I think in order to entice B6 (JetBlue) to fly to BLV, they will have to upgrade the terminal facilities. Don't be surprised if it happens because BLV could offer a lot of landing/takeoff slots to B6, and this could single-handedly revive that airport. After all, B6's arrival at LGB will likely revive that airport, too.

User currently offlineSpinkid From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1093 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1719 times:

is there any other commercial traffic there now?


User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1710 times:

What is BLV that is mean??

User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1699 times:

Hey, I got it with city code is Belleville - Scott AFB (BLV/KBLV). thanks!

User currently offlineN202PA From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1553 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1687 times:

ScottysAir-

BLV = St. Louis Mid-America Airport in Illinois. It is just outisde St. Louis, and was created with the construction of a passenger terminal near one of Scott AFB's runways to create a reliever airport for Lambert (STL). So far, the only tenant has been Pan Am III, which had poor loads (probably due to the fact that they didn't fly anywhere that anyone wants to go).


User currently offlineCactusA319 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2918 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1687 times:


The only commercial traffic there was Pan Am and they left. So the airport is once again empty.


User currently offlineCactusA319 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2918 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1676 times:

N202PA,

Actually they built a new runway parallel to the existing Scott AFB runway and built the new terminal. The Mid-America teminal is separated from the Scott facility by a large wetland area. There is a 7,000 ft. taxiway that links the "Mid-America side" with the "Scott side".


User currently offlineN202PA From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1553 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1672 times:

Cactus,

Ahhh, gotcha. I thought that it was an existing runway. I knew that the two were separated by a large expanse of land and trees, but assumed that the other runway was there before. Are both runways available to Air Force traffic, or is one dedicated solely to commercial and the other to military flights?


User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4487 posts, RR: 33
Reply 10, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1665 times:

Hmmm....JetBlue at MidAmerica? Maybe, but it seems to me unlikely. JetBlue heads for 'alternative' airports when a region's major airport is badly congested or lacks gate space. St. Louis would be a great destination for JetBlue, no doubt, but I think it'd be more likely for B6 to go to Lambert. That airport is not badly congested, from what I hear, and of course will get a new runway in a few years.

The question would probably turn on the airport's ability to provide gate space. Anyone familiar with the lease arrangements at STL? Are there 'use it or lose it' clauses, and is anyone not fully using gate space? (Is AA using all that TW gate space?) Is there anyplace a gate or two could be tacked on to the end of a concourse?

Jim


User currently offlineLGB Photos From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1659 times:

Well maybe jetBlue could turn the airport around and make something work? Who knows? After all, they have done some great things so far.

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User currently offlineCactusA319 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2918 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1654 times:


N202PA,

The military uses both runways, although they natuarly tend to use the Scott runway more often. However, I the Mid-America runway is 2,000 ft. longer than the old Scott runway so sometimes heavy KC-135 tankers will depart from that side.

Jim,

I think AA has moved into all the TW gates at STL but I'm sure there is still open gate space at the main terminal. They can also use one or two of the gates on the East terminal where SWA is. There are a few gates at the end of that terminal that are used mostly for charters.


User currently offlinePropilotJW From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 589 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1583 times:

OKay I have read all of the other posts and I have some answers to a few unanswered questions.

1. one of the guys said that the terminal needed upgrading. What? The terminal is the closest thing to new you can almost find. It may need to be added on to to accomodate more flights. There are only two jetways, 4 gates.

2. Pan Am was our only tenant as of yet. They lasted for 1 year and 3 months. The passenger loads were great to start. Everyone loved the flights to Florida. Not so much Gary but Florida was a hit. The problem Pan Am had was with the planes. They were consistenetly late. We knew not to make plan after work b/c we would usually stay late. The planes were being overworked and there was not time to rest.

3. That 'wetalnd' between Scott AFB and MidAmerica is actually Silver Creek. Silver creek is the dividing line for The AFB and the civilian side. There is a 7,000 ft taxiway runing between the Scott runway and the MidAmerica Runway.

4. Now we get to use of the runways. The KC-135 refuelers that are stationed at Scott almost always take off on the Midamerica side as opposed to the AFB side. The Scott runway is asphalf and it cannot handle the a/c, especially in the summer time. All of the AF heavies land and take-off in the civilian side b/c of the weight restriction on the scott side. The scott side is mainly used for most of the C-9 Nightengales that are at scott.

5. Now we move on the Lambert. (worked there too) Lambert was a very busy airport. Now they are not as busy as they were. They are actually talking aobut stoping the expansion now known as W-1W. AA is NOT taking over all of the TWA gates and there is now room to spare.



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