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Any Idea Where TWA Aicraft Will End Up?  
User currently offlineTrnsWrld From United States of America, joined May 1999, 924 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1450 times:

I have been kinda curious where TWA's aircraft will all end up in the future. I know there with AA now and some are being painted in the TWA/AA hybrid colors, and now full AA colors. Obviously we know that the 757/767 are PW powered and AA's are not. So who will these aircraft most likely go to? Also, what about all of TWA's MD-80's? TWA has many of the most recent built MD-80 aircraft many being years newer than AA's. For some reason it seems AA wont keep those either as I have flown on a few of the hybrid colored aircraft and let me tell you, the paint job on the aicraft is horrible. Looks like AA had the cheapest work they could done. The 757's are all also very new aircraft. And lastly, the 717's. I have no idea where those will go. Any ideas are appreciated.
Thanks

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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5731 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1400 times:

DC-9s were all parked.
717s are being returned to Boeing- all of them gone by June.

American placed an order of 767s to replace TW's.

I don't know about the 757s. Originally, they were going to trade with United... after UA/US merged... as United had Pratt 757s and US has Rolls... they were going to swap... AA would give TW's to United, and UA would give US's to AA.... that's a lot of acronyms...

The hybrid scheme was indeed cheap- because AA knew it would only be months before TWA was removed and AA painted on in regular quality...

I think they are keeping the MD-80s. Indeed, some of them are well over a decade newer than AA's.

I miss TWA. Thank goodness I got to fly on them once...

Randy


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1391 times:

TWA was the last airline to recieve MD-83s.

The last MD-83 built was delivered to TWA on December 28, 1999.

There are more than 20 MD-83s from TWA in the 1998-1999 delivery range.

These aircraft will be flying for quite a long time.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineExusair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 684 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1360 times:

Boeing is aggressively marketing the TWA B717's. Some may end up with HAL, AirTran wiull probably pick up a few at bargain basement rates.

The 767-200's were going to Airborne Express for cargo mods. I think all of them have been received by Airborne. I'm noit sure where the TWA 767-300's are going to go.

AA will likely keep the MD-80 series planes after modifying them to AA standards.

Where oh where to send the TWA 757's? They share a commonality with NWA and Aeromexico's specs.


User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1320 times:

717s returning to Boeing & Pembroke in June.
757s probably will be flying with AA for awhile.
767s most likely to be parked/returned to lessors.
MD-80 fleet...one half to be retained by AA, other half returned to owners. Just my 2 cents worth. Regards.



"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." --Ben Franklin
User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1310 times:

TWA's 717's will go to Aloha-Hawaiian Airlines, replacing all remaining 737-200's on inter-island flights. Other 717 aircraft will end up with Midwest Express and possibly Vanguard Airlines, as well as some far east start up. The 757's will be acquired by some charter airline and maybe even Hawaiian/Aloha for transpacific flights from Hawaii to secondary US mainland markets. The 767-200's went to Airborne Express or Victorville. The few -300's will go on lease to US Airways to replace some aging 767-200ER's. That's just my two cents worth. The MD80's ain't going nowhere. AA wants them.

ContinentalEWR


User currently offlineTWAMD-80 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1006 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1297 times:

I heard that AA is keeping all of TWA's planes and most of TWA's workers based out of STL. AA only brings their MD-80's into STL; I have yet to see an AA 737 flying out of STL.

TWAMD-80



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User currently offlineN757tw From United States of America, joined May 2000, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1280 times:

After reading these posts, I am trying to sort out the definates and speculations.....


717-200 - All 25(ish) being returned to Boeing by June.
757-200 - Fate Unknown
767-200 - Sold to Airborne Express
767-300 - Parked or Returned to Leassors (sp?)
MD-82/83 - All 120 (ish) being kept by AA
DC-9-30/50 - Parked or Returned


Please tell me which is fact and whats fiction.

Thanks,

N 7 5 7 T W

p.s. I think it is a mistake to return the 717, they are a great aircraft.


User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1265 times:

Fact...all 30 717s being returned.
Fact...all 27 757s being retained for the time being.
Fact...all 12 767-200s are out of service with AA.
Fact...all 18 DC-9s are out of service with AA.
Speculation...MD-80 fleet (103 ships) is being sorted out. Some have high lease payments which AA doesn't want to pay.
Speculation...9-10 767-300s probably parked/returning to lessors very soon. See Bill Harms website to get a better breakdown of TWA's fleet. Regards.



"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." --Ben Franklin
User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1250 times:

ContinentalEWR
Is Vanguard really interested in the 717?


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1240 times:

It makes sense for Vanguard to acquire some 717s. With the conversion of their fleet to MD products, adding the 717 to the stable is really a no-brainer. Not all of their markets can support a MD-80 or MD-87 flight, so something in the 100 seat range will be needed, and if they can get the funding to lease some when they become available, that would be a good business move, and they would trump Midwest Express in getting 717s before them.

User currently offlineDoug_or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3402 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1232 times:

the 717 might be very good for vanguard.... but can they afford them? Lease payments on new a/c are not cheap, espeicaly for airlines already in finnancial trouble.

doug
pdx/laf/ind



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User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1211 times:

It is good to see that some of the TWA PW4000 powered 767-300s are going to be leased by US Airways since they already operate PW4168 powered A330-300s.

User currently offlineVngd4me From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 238 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1176 times:

I don't know that Vanguard would want 717's right now. They do not have the commonality with the MD80 series that some people think they do. Vanguard's 732s seat about 120, M80's about 130 and M87s about 115. Why downsize more to an aircraft that doesn't fit the fleet? Just my opinion.

User currently offlineTrnsWrld From United States of America, joined May 1999, 924 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 1154 times:

Because the 717 operating cost is way less than the 737-200 and I think like 30% less than an MD-80/87. As for if Vangaurd can make the payments I dont know dont really follow up with them. Even though there just airplanes I wanna see TWA's jets go to good homes. It would be nice if AA keeps the TWA tail numbers on there aircraft so you can still tell which was a former TransWorld bird. So far they are even the ex-TWA aircraft painted in FULL AA colors still retain the TW tail numbers.

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