Parra From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5853 times:
At the moment if you wanted to travel from SFO/OAK to LAX/SNA/BUR etc you'd have to pay upwards of $100 with the full service guys and about $70 with SouthWest. In the EU you can travel similar distances with Virgin Express or Ryanair for about $50, and when the other airlines like Buzz and GO do their deals you can fly even greater distances for about $40 including taxes. This is not forgetting Ryanair and their famous roundtrip airfares for 1 euro which you can actually book becasue I have done so and so have most of my friends at some point.
Why can the EU carriers do it so much cheaper than the US carriers? Is it because foreign airlines are not allowed to operate domestic routes inthe US? If Virgin set up a new airline like Virgin Blue in Australia would it bring down prices?
Flydeltasjets From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5781 times:
Ticket prices, in terms of real dollars adjusted for inflation, are cheaper right now then they have ever been. Some would say they are too cheap. It probably shouldn't be more expensive to ride greyhound than it is to ride in a jet.
B737-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5760 times:
This is extremely cheap. When you talk about those cheap flights in Europe you have to add high taxes on Ryanair and co.
And try to book a same day return within Europe (also on Ryanair or others) and you'll see what EXPENSIVE is !
Scottb From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 7516 posts, RR: 31
Reply 5, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5745 times:
It seems to me that you're comparing apples to oranges here. You're comparing some of Ryanair's lowest fares to some of Southwest's highest fares; Southwest is offering intra-California flights for under $40 each way right now. Moreover, while Southwest is a "no-frills" airline, they do offer certain frills which Ryanair does not; i.e. complimentary onboard drink service and snacks, connecting flights (Ryanair won't offer you a connection from one of their flights to another of their flights), and 3 pieces of checked baggage (1 piece of checked baggage, up to 15 kg, on FR). Recall that Southwest (as well as the other U.S. airlines) also doesn't charge a fee for credit card bookings and that the taxes/charges/fees tend to be somewhat less on their flights.
Srbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5739 times:
Depending upon the city pair, your fare will be dependant upon several factors. How many airlines also fly this same city pair, and how often. You may have two airlines flying the same route, one a major airline (or its' regional partner(s)), the other a low-fare airline, and the fares may be $200 each way on the major and $49 on the low-fare airline. Some people are loyal to just one airline, and have no problem paying higher fares even when a cheaper alternative is available. In Atlanta this is the typically story on several city pairs like ATL-MYR and ATL-GPT. Now on routes that have many frequencies, like ATL-IAD, ATL-BOS, ATL-LGA, and ATL-EWR, both the major airline and the low-fare competitor charge similar fares for coach travel. Where the difference in fares is apparent is on business class fares. So in a nutshell, if the city pair is a popular pair, the prices will be competitive all around; but if the city pair involved is not very heavily served, one airline may charge a lower price than others on the same route.
Parra From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5725 times:
What you are all missing is that a fare equal to 90cents round trip is less than $40 one way which ever way you look at it. I also quoted fares on GO for example I have flown for GBP35 from London to Madrid RT including all taxes which is equivalent to $49. The distance is just short of 1000 miles each way. I have flown from London to Shannon for GBP30 round trip including all taxes and the distance is about 400 miles each way.
Parra From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5677 times:
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The fare is $89 including tax. It's not a very nice flight though. You have to go up to Pittsburg and hang around for almost 5 hours between planes. In total the journey is 9 hours. I'm surprised you didn't mention the Delta $70 fare for the same journey though?
Acidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1880 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5640 times:
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This could be a blatantly wrong assumption, but it seems to me that in Europe there are options other than flying between cities. Where many cities in Europe can be travelled between via rail service for a reasonable price and in a reasonable amount of time, the same is not true for a lot of the US.
ILOVEA340 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5637 times:
The 2 dollars on Ryanair is a joke though. I have looked it up and you end up paying over 30 pounds once taxes have been added.
I have flown SFO-Reno while reno air was still around for 29rt. total was around 45USD. Thats cheaper than many ryanair fares.
Also consider this.
Ryanair- 15kg luggage- No food or drink.
SouthWest- normal full airline luggage-food and drink.
Parra From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5627 times:
How much luggage do you need on a 2-night trip and how much food and drink do you need on a 50-minute flight? You can buy Coke or Pepsi in stores for 50c a can. Is that why Southwest charge $202 dollars RT OAK-LAX? I'd rather take my own along an save the money.
I'd also like to mention that GO and Virgin Express have the usual luggage allowance and that they have very good in-flight catering available for just a couple of dollars.
Also, most of the people replying to this post are in the under 20 category and probably never have to buy their own airfares and I suspect that very few have actually flown with one of the European low cost operators that they are commenting upon.
Travelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3626 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5610 times:
Parra, US domestic fares are not expensive. Yes, for those particular days you selected, LAX-SFO/OAK is expensive. WN does have $80 r/t fares, except they do run out. After all, this air corridor is one of the most popular in the world.
Does Europe in general have cheaper airfares than the US? No.
Just try to fly CDG-FRA on the days you selected. Or FCO-MAD. Try AMS-ZUR. Yes, some routes out of the UK are cheaper than the US. But Europe as a whole? No.
Oh, and you can fly JetBlue (a better low-fare airline than ANYTHING in Europe) from LGB-JFK round trip for about $250 (That's 5,000 miles round trip). Think about it. Please name a place that you can go from the UK that is 2,500 miles away for $250 on those days you selected.
And as I said, JetBlue is superior to Ryan Air, Go, EasyJet or any other of the "no-frills" European carriers.
Hell, even on Southwest you can go anywhere in the US for $99 each way. Try LAX-TPA, or SAN-PVD.
No you can't go anywhere for $2. But that is not a real fare, just a promotion.
CV640 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 952 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5606 times:
Para, you'll never see a $2 ticket here. Figure on a 1 hour flight in a 737-800 with the max number of seats allowed under law at 189. If everyone paid $2 a ticket, that wouldn't even cover the fuel bill. Never mind the aircarft cost, landing fees, gate fees, advertising, employees, secuirty, training, etc.
Add to that there is a $5 dollar security tax on each leg, plus a number of other taxes that would add about $20 to an average ticket right now.
EGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 32
Reply 23, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5597 times:
Please name a place that you can go from the UK that is 2,500 miles away for $250 on those days you selected.
LHR-JFK-LHR on BA or VS is $190 inc tax, and that is about 7000nm round trip.
CV640, you need to work out how a low cost carrier works (empty flight = cheap tickets, full flight = expensive tickets). Also, you can get £10 tickets on almost any flights if you book for the flight and not for the date.
Parra From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5599 times:
Have you ever been to Madrid, Prague, Paris, Lisbon, Warsaw or Tallinn?
I didn't think so. These places are enormously cheaper than the average US city in terms of taxis (usually Mercedes), hotels and food.
Madrid - Airport to Downtown by metro for less than $1
Prague - Beer in a bar 500mL (more than 1 pint) =50 cents
Paris - 3*** hotel in a former 17th century palace = $50
Lisbon - Dinner at a good restaurant = $3
Warsaw - Lunch at a nice restaurant = $2
Tallinn - Everything very cheap - Pack of Marlboro = 80 cents
Yes Gas is expensive but then why worry when you can get a bus or metro or tram.
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