Bmi330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1449 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1856 times:
cause of money and how showed they LHR is there home base plus has any other airline in the world been asked 2 do this so they could have an aliance whith another airline a dont thinks plus whats the big deal anyways?
DCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4402 posts, RR: 38 Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1825 times:
BA has more flights to the US from Heathrow than does any other airline, at any European airport. Heathrow has by far the biggest pax volume to the US of any European airport. BA and AA have 65 percent of that yummy haul right now as it is. They don't want to give any of it up in order to get their massive alliance approved.
Why haven't other airlines--NW/KL, DL/AF, UA/LH--been asked to give up slots in order to get their alliances approved? Because they don't need to. Every USA Cartel carrier that wants can fly to Paris-CDG, Amsterdam-Schiphol, and Frankfurt-Main. There is plenty of competition available to the alliances at those airports. Also, none of those alliances comes anywhere near BA-AA in size.
Only Heathrow, which has the fewest active runways of any major European airport (2) is closed to a limited number of transatlantic carriers (BA, VS, AA, UA). CDG has four runways, Schiphol 5, and Frankfurt 3. The alliances at these airports can be held accountable by competitors if they tried to gouge passengers.
Fortunately, the US Department of Transportation, which finally grew balls and stopped being the floosie of major airlines, told BA and AA they'd have to give up slots at LHR if they wanted approval.
Unless *every* USA Cartel carrier can get access to Heathrow, like they have access to CDG, SPL, and FRA, *NO* BA/ AA! For now, there won't be. But BA and AA will probably try again sometime.
Blink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5430 posts, RR: 19 Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1712 times:
The US airlines have absolutely no right to complain. Every airline had a chance at buying those slots, but they didn't. American bought the slots. Delta, Northwest, and US Airways had a chance to buy those, but they didn't.
Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
DCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4402 posts, RR: 38 Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1689 times:
Ummm....Blink, the Bermuda II treaty only permits 2 USA carriers and 2 British carriers to serve LHR. Just how could have the other 4 USA Cartel carriers have bid on them, since UA and AA bought them from Pan Am and TWA as a whole?
Bermuda II must go. All four USA Cartel carriers and BMI must be given the opportunity to buy the slots they need to meaningfully serve LHR, or *NO* BA/AA. The 16 daily roundtrips required by the US DOT would allow a healthy dose of competition.
The Cartel carriers and BMI, of course, couldn't just wholesale move out of LGW on 16 daily roundtrips, and some of them might opt not to purchase slots if they had to split their London operations between the two airports. But they'd have a fair chance. That's about as much as can reasonably be expected.
In the meantime, since the screaming-orc NIMBY's aren't going to allow another runway at Heathrow, BAA ought to work on getting not just express trains but TGV-style bullet trains from LGW to downtown London.
747firstclass From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1679 times:
For the USA cartel airlines to buy slots at LHR, I have reservations on that idea. No, repeat, o foreign airline has ever paid as much as 1 cent for any slots at any USA airport. Likewise no US carrier has ever had to pay any money for any slot at a european airport. This complicates the situation at LHR even more. If the US carriers had tp pay for slots at LHR, leguslation in the US would probably be enacted pronto for BA to pay for slots at a USA airport. Think about it.