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Future Of Brussels Airport  
User currently offlineAirDD From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 375 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1949 times:


A new terminal building is going to be opened in a few months.
I wonder who will use it ?

Traffic dropped with 30% in Nov-Dec after the failure of SN (no more transfer passengers).

What will be the future of the airport, short point to point flights (DAT), no hub activity ? While CDG & AMS are using high speed trains to get Belgians to their airports, will BRU be a ghost airport ?

Any thoughts ?

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User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1866 times:

I don't think that BRU will become an ghost airport. Brussels is an important town...
Look at ZRH (who shares nearly the same fate with BRU), traffic is growing in the last weeks and some other airlines fills the gap left by SR's demise...
717fan


User currently offlineAirDD From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1861 times:

717fan,

Hopefully BRU won't become a ghost town but SR in ZRH is still flies, SN is gone and is not being replaced...

BRU is an important city but with easily access from neighbouring hubs


User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1858 times:

AirDD,
You're right SR is still flying and will be replaced soon...
but ZRH has easily access to MUC (about 3hrs by train)
and Milan is also not too far...
I think the chance for both is, that they are the biggest international gateways to its country.
717fan


User currently offlineAirDD From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1829 times:


Any news when the new terminal building in BRU will be opened ?


User currently offlineD-AQUI From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 203 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1813 times:

AirDD,

EBBR already has the appearance of a ghost airfield! Compared to the times when SN was still taking to the skies, it is somewhat strange to be deprived of the hustle and bustle, although I do not mind as it is more comfortable.

EBBR will surely play its role in the future, because as 717fan has already remared, it is an important town. But the present situation clearly shows that without the number of transfer passengers, there will be no substantial rise in pax traffic in the near future. When coming from LFST this morning I was surprised that DAT has re-started to announce connecting flights during the descent of our flight. That has reminded me of the pre-November 2001 times.

For the employee's sake at EBBR, let us hope the situation will recover.

Although I must admit that the LH A300-600 parked at the gate and seen from the DAT-aircraft, ready to go to Frankfurt, tells its own story...

d-aqui




User currently offlineAussie_ From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1766 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1803 times:

I agree d-aqui. I flew into EBBR about a week ago from HAM. The airport was quieter than I have ever seen it before and several shops were closed. It was sad to see.

Also my LH flight out of Brussels for February 13 (last I looked) had been changed from an A320 scheduled pre-collapse to an A300-600. Enough said.


User currently offlineTERRA From Iraq, joined Aug 1999, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1793 times:

Brussels will still have commuter a/c operating to it as it is the only viable destination when doing business in the city, or like me at the airport!
When i was there last week is was the first time that my a/c didn't have to queue to line up on the runway due to virtually no other traffic. The terminal was quiet and from a selfish point of view nice to fly from.
Despite this it is a shame to see the airport in this position. Working for DHL i can say it now seems that we are the biggest operator from the airport.

Rich


User currently offlineGlider From Belgium, joined Feb 2001, 297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1793 times:

Maybe this doesn't fit to the subject, but I have a question on the LH A300... When does there arrives one at Brussels? I really like to see it...

Maybe Brussels Airport is much quiter, I think it still is a paradise for spotters. There are so much 'new' carriers at EBBR instead of the SN planes.

But indeed, all that happened here is so bad, but... I still like my home airport, and I will always will.

Glider


User currently offline310_engineer From Belgium, joined Dec 2000, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1773 times:

About two weeks ago I took LH 4421 dep 10:40 and that was an A300-600.
But I have seen them on the evening flights too.

Regards
mike


User currently offlineSwake From Belgium, joined Jan 2001, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 8 months 4 weeks ago) and read 1755 times:

Back to topic
I see a rather grim future for BRU unless the global aviation market picks up again. The new terminal A will attract enough pax but in pier B you can start holding cyclingraces since non-schengen flights will be such a small portion that you can easily close half of the terminal. What extra-Schengen traffic will BRU generate : JFK, BOS, flights originating in the UK (the bulk), flights from central europe, typically 2 or 3 a day, e.g. PRG, BUD, WAW, TLV (maybe they get a separate terminal  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Voila, that's about it. How many pax would that be a day?


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1735 times:

Swake add to your list of non schengen flights...

-AA, UA, 2DLs, CO each day
-SQ and Biman 6 times a week
-Amman and flights to North Africa (Moroco, Tunisia, Egypt, Algeria) aswell as flights to Turkije (lots of charters)
-Air Zimbabwe, Cameroon Airlines, Air Gabon and Air Mauritius
-charter flights to the Caribian islands
and you will see that it is not all so bad then you might think at first sight!



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User currently offlineDragonRapide From Belgium, joined Sep 2001, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1719 times:

As a frequent flyer from Brussels I would like to make a couple of points:
1/ AMS, CDG, FRA are not convenient for me. They take about 3 or 4 hours to get to whether I go by car, train or plane.
2/ Having to pass through a big hub when going intercontinental is a nightmare. It is still bareable on the outbound flight because you have first a short flight and then a long duration flight. So when you deplane you are tired but at least you are at your destination. Now on the return flight it is much worse. First of all after having been away from home for some time you really WANT to GET HOME ASAP. Nothing worse then to having deplane 300 km from your home, wait for your connection flight, suffer yet another delay (hubs are always crowded) and risk the loss of your luggage whilst transiting. Or not wanting to risk a delayed flight and opting for the train just to find they are on strike. And driving the 300+km home is not really a sensible and safe option after a 10+ hour flight. Conclusion: direct intercontinental flights are a must for me and I will take them whenever I can no matter the carrier, the service, the airplane type, whether I have frequent flyer miles or whatever. Nothing can beat direct flights. Best thing is when you deplane from a big bird that you touch home gorund. Period.

This brings me to the future of BRU. I am sure there are more people like me. However, the glory and wealth of destinations once offered by SN is gone for ever and will remain so.

I am pretty sure BRU will do reasonably well as an EU destination given that it is the capital of the EU and NATO headquarter. For the same reasons it will be served directly by some intercontinental carriers. That will be all. Some selected long range destinations (as there are today) but no more. And that is fine by me. I still prefer on departure a long duration flight and a connection flight to bring me to my destination over having to do a connection first at FRA, AMS or CDG and then carry on. It would give me a benefit on the reutrn flight.

As for all the terminal space available at BRU (I think the new terminal B opens mid May), I think it will take a long time before it will be filled (if ever). Even when reading through the above mentioned lists (who forgot to mention Switserland and Malta as non Shengen countries), it is not sufficient to give the new terminal a busy feeling. I believe terminal B has around 30 gates. If you add all the destinations mentioned (including the frequency) above together, you arrive at what 60? Heck let it be 90. That is still not much for a Terminal that can take 30 at a time.


User currently offlineAirDD From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1699 times:

DragonRapide,

Thanks for your reply.

I had to go to Brussels from the US westcoast (Seattle) in middle December.

I had a hard time getting to Brussels, basically I flew direct from SEA to AMS and took the car to Brussels.
I hate connecting but anyway all flights between AMS-BRU were sold out (must be small commuter planes) and all the US-BRU flights are from the east-coast.

There are still many long-haul flights into Brussels but it is going to be a tough to attract big carriers since all alliances have been formed with hubs.
...
I remember when SN worked with Delta to Brussels, this worked out perfectly, I have been on many (full) SN flights codeshared with DL from Cincinati or ATL. Sad Delta dumped SN for Air France.


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1668 times:

Hey AirDD,

Terminal will open the 15th of May, and the old terminal (near the sattellite) will be closed.

Regards,
Frederic


User currently offlineAirDD From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1647 times:

Sabena 690

Thanks for the info !

What will happen with the old building ?

Is it going to be taken down ?



User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1635 times:

Hey AirDD,

I think that the old terminal will be used for ceremonial flights, or other things... But certainly they will not take it down ( I think and hope ).

This evening I got confirmation that on May 15 the new terminal will be opened. After 11/09, BIAC thought to stop works to the new terminal!! I am glad they didn't take that decision. I hope that some companys like AA and SQ will decide to fly more to Brussels.

Best regards,
Frederic


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 17, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1629 times:

I fly out of BRU on a very regular basis, and while it is quieter, it is not a ghost-town. It gives the illusion of a very quiet airport because the SN connecting traffic is gone so there are a lot less people hanging around awaiting connections. Of course, SN was a great loss for BRU, but other carriers will slowly replace the SN service where it makes sense and a profit can be made.
BRU is mainly O&D traffic now.

I usually fly to CO flight out of Brussels about 8 to 10 times per year, and in Dec and Jan the loads looked good and business class was nicely filled up.....a good sign.

Once the world economy improves and the flying public can put the events of 9/11 behind them (remember, transatlantic travel was especially hard hit by that horrible day), BRU will see an upswing in traffic.......a new Belgian carrier will come along at some point and other airlines will increase service into BRU.


User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1634 times:

If BIAC were at all commercially minded, they would offer Ryanair a better deal than Charleroi has given them - that would provide them with substantial additional passenger throughput.

The fact that they haven't speaks volumes...  Insane


User currently offlineLumumba From Belgium, joined Mar 2001, 369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1614 times:

Pierre klees things that A.A can play a big role in BRU.
Hi is ready to giv a big part of the new terminal only for them?
The new terminal will open 15 of may.
But there are discusing with other big players and Nationwide will start a direct flight jhb-bru.
regards


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 20, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1607 times:

Ceilidh, I suspect that were BRU to offer a deal to FR, they would have every other carrier serving the place banging their door down to get the same deal.

Whilst it might improve the passenger throughput, it would likely be commercial suicide to give away landing/parking rights virtually free to everyone.



She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineDragonRapide From Belgium, joined Sep 2001, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1604 times:

Ceilidh
BIAC is one of the investors in dat.
Why would BIAC want to bring a competitor for dat to BRU??? That's the answer.

About the old terminals, apparently the old pier will be taken down (good riddens) but the satelite will be kept.
At least that's what the papers report. Also it might be that the new terminal will be taken into service only partly (in the beginning) according to a BIAC spokesman on television yesterday.


User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1598 times:

Lumumba - Nationwide is not about to start services between JNB and BRU. In fact, Nationwide is in serious danger of going bankrupt and isn't going to be doing anything except trying to survive for the near future.

User currently offlineLj From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1597 times:

Cameroon Airlines will start a second flight to BRU thus that's one flight more.

Dragonrapide, BIAC will not be allowed to favour DAT. If so they'll get in serious trouble with the EU Court of Justice. In that rsepect, all DAT competitord will scrunize every move by BIAC which will benefit DAT.

Regards
Laurens


User currently offlineLumumba From Belgium, joined Mar 2001, 369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1590 times:

About Nationwide it's in the papers .
so let's see and wait.
regards


25 DragonRapide : Lj, I udnerstand what you say. But the issue was: 'Why doesn't BIAC match the benefits Charleroi offers to Ryanair?' Ceilidh was complaining that BIAC
26 Apuneger : I'm pretty sure that, from the moment that Pier A opens, BIAC will bring down Pier C (including the Satellite). I'm doing my thesis about BRU, and let
27 Manni : What's the story about Nationwide? I know that they have been flying for Sabena from JNB to various destinations in South Africa. I did not know that
28 Sabena 690 : What is that from that Nationwide flight to Brussels? Apuneger, they are going to take down the pier and the satelite? Really? Good luck with your the
29 Ceilidh : The rumours about Nationwide operating between JNB and BRU stems from the Swissair MD11 which is still sitting in JNB - SAA have refused to release it
30 OO-VEG : DAT+ wants to start services to Africa. So that means... transfer passengers from Europe to Africa. With the comming of VG Airlines it will mean more
31 Manni : Sabena 690, CX has no intention to start flying to BRU. I just tought that it would be nice if they did. Ceilidh, Thanks for clearing up this story, i
32 Lumumba : It's realy black on white in the papers? In DE MORGEN from yesterday! And they are speeking about to contact other big players. Regards
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