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Will Air Canada Keep Its Entire B 747-400 Fleet?  
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9106 posts, RR: 15
Posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2554 times:

Hey guys!

I just had a word with a few Analysts. And they do believe that Air Canada 'WILL' keep its entire B 747-400 fleet, regardless of the A 340-500/600 orders as the B 747-400 suits Air Canada well.

In fact, just before the 9.11, Air Canada was in negotiation with Boeing on getting an additional number of B 747-400s.

Comments? Will they keep the entire B 747-400 fleet? Also, will they carry on with their B 747-400 Combi Fleet??

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User currently offlineBoeing747-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2422 times:

I think that Air Canada is keeping them for a bit longer now. They are sending back three Airbus A340s this year and have taken C-GMWW out of storage and flowen it to SIN for for D or C check. I think that they will be around for a bit longer now.

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2393 times:

It's a mixed fleet. 4 GE all-pax and 3 PW Combi's so mx & commonality must be not great.

Their 346 order was placed prior to the CP takeover and was meant to repl the 74E's, which would have meant a reduction in capacity.

I would think the 74E fleet is more valuable than the 744 fleet due to the maindeck cargo capability (AC has flown 747 Combis longer than any other airline), plus the 74E's will be hard to place in the 2nd hand market.
So I could see the GE 744's leaving the fleet unless Asian traffic picks up.

IMHO

Neil




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9106 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2346 times:

I don't see them leaving the fleet anytime soon as Air Canada is placing its B 747-400s on an increased number of routes.

Actually, I heard that Boeing was trying to get Air Canada to order more B 747-400s.

Can anyone confirm this? Do you guys think they will order an ADDITIONAL Number of B 747-400s? They have stated that they are interested in the All-Pax version


User currently offlineLymanm From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2296 times:

No United Airline, AC will not be getting any additional 744s. I know your favourite pastime is to invent rumours about your beloved 747 remaining in service longer (which accounts for 99% of your posts) but unfortunately, AC has made in clear in the past that they will be eventually getting rid of all their 747s (some before others, obviously) in favour of an all Airbus fleet, with the exception of the 767s and CRJs.


buhh bye
User currently offlineJean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2115 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2289 times:

I think the only Boeings AC will be ordering from now on are 767's, if that. they may keep some of the ones they have, but I really don't see the need for more. united Airline, which new routes have they been put on? I hadn't heard about that.


Next flight.... who knows.
User currently offlineBoeing747-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2233 times:

I dont think United Airline was making rumours. He was just asking a question.

User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2215 times:

It is true AC was looking at getting a few more 747-400's from planes that were not taken up by asian airlines, but that was when they changed toe 340-500 and 34-66 orders into just 340-600 orders, the -500 is now back in the plans and so I doubt that the 744 fleet will be expanded, and i think it will still be around for a few more years.


"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9106 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2159 times:

Actually, Air Canada is flying an additional number of B 747-400s into Hong Kong. And I am not making this up. I have spoken someone who actually work for Air Canada. And I do hang out with Financial Analysts from time to time.

Lymanm. just wait and see. Time will tell. Air Canada has never made a firm statement saying that they are getting rid of the entire B 747-400 fleet. In fact, they said they will keep the ones from CP.

They will probably keep the B 747-400 fleet for a very long time. At least, they are not that old.......

 Smile


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7929 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2120 times:

I doubt that AC will dispose of CP's 747-400 fleet.

One reason is simple: YVR is a major enclave of ex-Hong Kong expatriates, and to switch from the 744 to the A340-600 would mean a reduction in seating capacity, not a good idea for obvious reasons.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9106 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2085 times:

I agree. In fact, they might even keep the Combis for Cargo Purpose........

Well, I hope they will keep them. But they definitely need the B 744s from Canadian Airlines. What they should do is....... to get the GE Powered B 744s re-engined. Or order new ones from Boeing.

Just my 2 cents.

Please feel FREE to express your opinions


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9106 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2081 times:

Slawko Wrote:

It is true AC was looking at getting a few more 747-400's from planes that were not taken up by asian airlines, but that was when they changed toe 340-500 and 34-66 orders into just 340-600 orders, the -500 is now back in the plans and so I doubt that the 744 fleet will be expanded, and i think it will still be around for a few more years.

I guess they never changed the A 340-500 and 340-600 to JUST A 340-600...... Instead, they switched it to an ALL A 340-500 order. And now, the -600 is back in the plans.

However, it is possible to keep both the B 747-400, and the A 340-600 in the fleet. The B 747-400 is an ideal aircraft for high capacity routes. Besides, airlines often change their mind from time to time.

I hope they will renew their B 747-400 fleet. Let's just wait and see.....


User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3224 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2077 times:

The very fact that they are sending C-GMWW to SIN for a heavy check (ironically I have a model of it in its last Canadi>n livery) while sending back 3 A340s (1 to Jm and 2 to BW) should suggest their short -to -mid term commitment to the 747-400. It was said that the Asian routes were strong enough to warrant keeping that fleet active.

Trintocan.



Hop to it, fly for life!
User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2074 times:

Air Canada needs to make its mind up on the commanality issue and not do and 'Air France' and order every type available.

User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2073 times:

Air France is currently getting rid of some types so your example does not fit well.

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9106 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2038 times:

No long ago, there was a post saying that Air France will lease up to 2 B 747-400ERs from ILFC.

User currently offlineSoupthansa From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2030 times:

I've been spotting at Frankfurt the past two weeks and I've seen C-GAGN almost everyday, how many 744s are in their fleet?

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9106 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2022 times:

Yeah...... Does anyone know how many?

User currently offlineAC340 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2008 times:

As far as I know, Air Canada has 7 B747-400s in their fleet. 4 from Canadian and 3 Combis that have been in their fleet for a about 10 years or so.

User currently offlineCanadianDC10 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 335 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1999 times:

I thought Air Canada only had 6 now. I heard they pulled C-GMWW out of service, and it is going back to the leaser in February. If that is true, they would have three 744 Combi's and 3 ex. CP 744's.

User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1996 times:

'Air France is currently getting rid of some types so your example does not fit well.'-some types?The 310 and 767 I think.They still have the 340 and 777 in large numbers, a small 744 fleet and are rumoured to be getting 2 744ER's.Why the 744ER's?



User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 21, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1967 times:

My understanding was also that MWW would be returned to the lessor in Feb. Now it appears that it will return to service.

Soupthansa.....AC has 7 744's of 3 are 74E's. Only the 74E's are used on the YYZ-FRA route.

Neil



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1925 times:

The B744ERs are freighters, known as B747-400LRF.

Air France's fleet is not full of unfitting types.
- B747-400 on top, B747-200 pax will leave the fleet soon and be replaced by more B772 and B773
- B772 will soon be joined by B773 = remains one class
- A340/330 fleet has high commonality, almost one type.
- B767 and A310 will leave this spring, two types will be withdrwan by that
- A321, A320 and A319 are not really three different types due to commonality. The A318 won't change that
- B733 and B735 can also be regarded as one type
- B737 classics have left

So? B747-400, B777, A340/330, A32S, B737-3/5, Concorde as flagship What's the problem about it?

Regards
Udo


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9106 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1915 times:

Udo:

The two B 747-400ERs that Air France might get are Pax aircraft, not freighters.


User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1907 times:

I am glad AC is keeping it's 747-400s, they are better off getting rid of some their CFM56-5C powered A340-300s for new RR Trent 500 powered A340-500/600s.

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