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What's Up With AA's Massive Expansion?  
User currently offlineAA@DFW From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 397 posts, RR: 1
Posted (12 years 8 months 6 days ago) and read 2220 times:

Ok, TODAY alone we have heard some MAJOR changes for the world's largest airline. Here's a wrap up of all of them:

1) Upgrade 767 to 777 RDU - LGW
2) Add 2nd daily DFW - LGW 777
3) Inaugurate JFK - OAK svc (2x daily, 757)
4) Add 41 flights out of DFW
5) Add 35 flights ouf of MIA
6) Inaugurate new svc MIA - MDE (Medellin, Colombia)
7) Inaugurate new svc JFK - NRT
8) Add new service to Monterrey, and Mexico City, MX

I don't know what's going down over on Amon Carter Blvd. in Ft Worth, but whatever it is -- Keep doing it Don!

AA@DFW

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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (12 years 8 months 6 days ago) and read 2093 times:

Well, I guess its partially in response to UA's move.

They are adding 38 flights out of DEN.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4120 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (12 years 8 months 6 days ago) and read 2085 times:

Perhaps they sense impending doom from some of the other carriers and they are building up to 'be there' when those other carriers (read: US and / or UA) falter. It seems like a pre-emptive strike to me, although the routes being added do not seemed specifically aimed at either carrier.

User currently offlineAIR757200 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (12 years 8 months 6 days ago) and read 2060 times:


All I can say, sounds like good news. Are we to expect the airline to remain at <20% capacity cut all it's life?
We are getting some of our flights restored. According to intercompany-news, this is just the first of several "layers" of flights being added.

AA is expected to be in positive cash possibly at the end of the 2nd quarter.  Smile

AIR757200


User currently offline747firstclass From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 8 months 6 days ago) and read 2048 times:

I have some sources deep in AA. Many of them are livid, that BA has been taking this hard nose stand on LHR. Some of it is partly to intimidate BA into doing something that will get them anti trust immunity. Keep in mind that BAs reach in the US is very small in comparison. So it might be a reminder to BA on what they are missing out on. Some of it also, is keeping up with the Jones (I.E. UA, CO, DAL etc.).More importantly the business travel, ecoomy are picking up a bit, enough that the airlines will gamble on continued increase.

User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 8 months 6 days ago) and read 2023 times:

I saw a report today that saying AA is restoring 20% of suspended flight due to 911 terrorist attack. This will make other majors in US to restore their suspended flight in order to compete and survive.

User currently offlineGuyBetsy1 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 840 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (12 years 8 months 6 days ago) and read 2005 times:

AA needs to put more widebodies in the air. Look at UA for example. They even have some 747s on their transcons.

User currently offlineAluminumShower From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 8 months 6 days ago) and read 1993 times:

That would mean buying more, wouldn't it?

User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5813 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (12 years 8 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1979 times:

The 41 flights for DFW only take us through March. There is even more expansion coming. For example, a second FAT-DFW flight is scheduled to added in April.


"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
User currently offlineCLEfan From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 299 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (12 years 8 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1970 times:

I dont think this is a great move for AA. While it would be good for the pilots to be in the air more, the costs could be high for AA. AA is already losing millions a day. By adding more and more seats like they are doing, they are going to kill yields. I think AA needs to focus on turning a profit first, then growing like mad. The whole issue of being the worlds largest airline is completely to satisfy an ego. Will it matter how large the airline is when it runs out of money and finds itself in Chapter 7? I dont think so. Turn a profit, or get very close to turning one, build up yields, then expand. AMR burned through $800 million in the fourth quarter of last year, looks like they want to try to lose even more than that this quarter.

User currently offlineAluminumShower From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 8 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1967 times:

And to that I ask the same question.... Where do all those airplanes come from for that expansion? Hmmmm, retire the 727s and retire the 717s... Doesn't that mean that AA is already down a bunch of aircraft year over year?

User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 8 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1965 times:

1) Woops we over did it after 9/11.

2) UA are about to go belly up, lets get it now !!!


User currently offlineAluminumShower From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 8 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1950 times:

You never quit confusing me Hkgspotter1.... What does that mean?

User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5843 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (12 years 8 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1930 times:

Aluminum Shower:

American will get extra planes from several places.

First, they have quite a number of the Fokker fleet in temporary storage.
Additionally, they had (had- I think they still do, but to cover my arse I will still say HAD) two brand new 777s parked in Oklahoma...
They have been deferring 738 deliveries like there is no tomorrow (which there might not be in this industry...)

Also, AA has a huge fleet, and maybe they are going to try to improve their utilization figures...

But the 727 and 717 eliminations aren't that big a deal. First, they were planned. Second, 10 of the 717s are parked in various places all over the nation anyhow. Third, the 738s are replacing 727s.

I think they have the fleet needed to do this stuff...


User currently offlineFleet service From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 623 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (12 years 8 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1903 times:

Increased utilization times.As for the "Quite an number of Fokkers in storage",I don't know about that.There were 8 or so F100's at TUL, thats about it.

I'll check Sabre at work tommorow and get the definitive number.




Yes, I actually *do* work for an airline,how about you?
User currently offlineBlink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5482 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (12 years 8 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1849 times:

I think part of this may be to intimidate BA(see AA second LGW-DFW 777, and LGW-RDU 777 flights) into coughing up slots, but I figure if they really wanted to do that, they would make all of their LHR flights 777s.

The economy has been improving a tad bit, but I do think AA is over doing it a little bit. They should have increased service to bigger cities with a market instead of second or third tier cities(no offence  Smile) or cities without much competition.

As for aircraft, AA is getting rid of the 727s and 717s(As previously noted), but they do have planes in temporary storage, so they can go ahead and pull those back into the air.

blink



Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (12 years 8 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1826 times:

Bottom line, what is up is that AA sees an opportunity to increase revenue or make strategic expansions in selected markets. Pure and simple! AA is, and has been for several years, one of the best managed (from a purely financial standpoint - I'm not trying to comment on any other aspect) airlines in the world. They move into and/or expand in markets where their (very sophisticated) yield management and marketing analysis tells them they can make significant gains, and they pull out of markets when that same analysis tells them they can better utilize their resources elsewhere.


"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32869 posts, RR: 71
Reply 17, posted (12 years 8 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1823 times:

Two of those 777s are coming from DFW-SCL. That 777 service, unfortunatley, did not last long. If you look at the scheds, most of the flights are late night departures. They are just increasing use of aircraft. For example, new 4th daily Miami-Mexico City flight leaves Miami at around 2000 and overnights in MEX before leaving for Miami early in the morning. Today, that 737-800 is overnighting in Miami. Same with the new Miami-Medellin service, using a 757-200 overnighting in Colombia that would otherwise be parked in Miami. They are just making better use of thier aircraft.


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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7780 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (12 years 8 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1819 times:

Remember that AA and the others cut around 20% of their capacity though early retirement and deferment. So getting some capacity back is not a difficult thing to do. In terms of returning back to pre-9/11 levels there is certainly more to go. Additionally the Feds reported 0.2% growth for 4Q 2001, so there are positive signs. Sometimes you need to take risky moves when the opportunity presents itself.


Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
User currently offlineConnector4you From Canada, joined May 2001, 932 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (12 years 8 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1756 times:

I see a similar pattern here in both AA and BA. Their restructuring process seems to head in the same direction:
-Heavy increase in capacity on Transatlantic flights
-Dumping all the unprofitable short-medium feeding routes and aircraft

Who is going to feed this EXTRA capacity? … Your guess is just as good as mine! More likely new Oneworld Alliance members and more codeshare agreements. Your rumors and/or speculations are welcome here…

My gut feeling is that …very cheap transatlantic fares might be coming soon around your local airport

Cheers



User currently offline747firstclass From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 8 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1736 times:

I repeat my earlier reply. To intimidate BA into releasing those slots at LHR. If that doesnt work, to impress to IB to sign an enhanced code sharing and openskies. Look at how many of the new flights are at MIA. That would be too impress IB. The 777s at RDU and BA are definetly intended to scare BA.

User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32869 posts, RR: 71
Reply 21, posted (12 years 8 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1724 times:

747firstclass, RDU-LGW was a 777 before 9.11. I don't think it's being done to scare BA. The demand is obviously there. You won't see IB codeshare with AA on thier Latin American operations, at least not Central. Iberia has a very profitable Central American/Mexican hub at MIA, one of thier most profitable operations. The two already codeshare on all trans-Atlantic flights between the US and Spain and many domestic routes out of JFK, MIA, and ORD. I could possibly see IB putting thier code on secondary South American markets, though, like the new MDE service. Though you are right about Open Skies. I think AA would really like Spain/IB to lead an opening of Open Skies with Spain, and I think it will happen within 18 months (which I think will mean increased MIA-MAD service and new MIA-BCN service, which is why I'm anxiously awaiting it).


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User currently offlineBigmikenice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (12 years 8 months 5 days ago) and read 1692 times:

Anyone know what flights are being added from MIA? Will it be Domestic or International?

User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32869 posts, RR: 71
Reply 23, posted (12 years 8 months 5 days ago) and read 1674 times:

bigmike, MIA extra flights to the following:

Domestic: SJU, LAX, SFO, DFW (2), ORD, LGA (2), DCA (3), BOS, ATL, RSW (2), EYW, JAX (2), TPA, BWI
International: NAS (4), MEX, CUN, GCM, BOG, CCS, MDE*
(*-new route)

Plus FLL is getting extra flights to DFW, LAX, NAS (2), and RDU.



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User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32869 posts, RR: 71
Reply 24, posted (12 years 8 months 5 days ago) and read 1672 times:

Oh, yes, and FLL is getting new CCS flights.


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25 LV : Anybody think this might be a move to start dehubbing STL? I hope not but it could just be history repeating itself (remember Reno Air, what's left of
26 Timberwolf24 : Any word on new flights out of ORD?
27 LV : Come on, I played "Devil's Advocate" Anybody have a conjecture on some of the ideas thrown out in here (my previous one included)?
28 PSU.DTW.SCE : More AA build-up news announced today: BOS: Restarting 2nd Daily BOS-MCO (738) 3/2/02 Restarting 2nd Daily BOS-SJC (757) 3/2/02 JFK: Restarting 2nd Da
29 Baec777 : AA need to start-up another London flight out of DFW.... that would be LHR.... instead of the 2nd DFW-LGW flight, change it to LHR with another B777..
30 Blink182 : Baec777, AA would do DFW-LHR in a heartbeat, but DFW isn't in bermuda II, so untill BII gets destroyed, DFW's london flights will go through LGW. blin
31 Mah4546 : They seemed to leave out the 5th daily MIA-BOS and 8th/9th daily MIA-LGA, but I guess thats because those flights are returning on 07Apr02 and will be
32 ContinentalEWR : American is redistributing former TWA capacity across its route network and system to better use those resources and planes. Second, AA is anticipatin
33 Mah4546 : ContinentalEWR, MCO-LGA is an existing AA route, they are just adding a second frequency.
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