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United DC-8-62's!  
User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2934 times:


Hi!

I've been quite interested about the DC-8-62 model in United Airlines service, we do all know that United was by far the biggest DC-8 operator in the world with 105 examples, they had Series 10/20/50/50AF/61/62, from these the most interesting thing is to know that for example they converted the 61 models in 71 series but they didn't converted the 62 series in 72 ones why? Why United ordered this very long range airliner? As far as I know United used in their Hawai route the DC-8-61, did they used the 62 too? That's quite a paradox to see this model in United service when we know that United at that time was a full domestic airline. Answers to this topic will be greatly appreciated specially from US United fans!!!
regards

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User currently offlineCF-CPI From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 1062 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2756 times:

I don't have all the answers but in the late 60s United tried some east coast - Hawaii routes (out of Baltimore and perhaps others), that made good use of the range of the -62. They didn't have many of them, maybe six or seven, but they showed up here and there. I'm told that in the late 70s, when the DC-10s were grounded, UA brought the -62 out of semi-retirement to fill in needed capacity.

Perhaps UA had aspirations for overseas routes that didn't pan out. Remember, Eastern acquired some -63s in hopes of getting Latin and Asian routes, but they weren't awarded and EA flew the -63s alongside the -61s even though the range wasn't needed.


User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2669 times:


Hi CF-CPI.

I like your username, I used to see that CPAir DC-8-43 quite often at Lisbon in the winter of 1979/1980, I think it was the last time I saw all the CPAir DC-8-43's before their retirement. About the United DC-8-62's that's a good reason, infact United received 10 units.
Thanks for your answer.
regards


User currently offlineSFOintern From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 770 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2648 times:

One of those routes was JFK-HNL, believe it or not.

User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2630 times:


Hi!

SFOintern that's a great clue, that's a hell of a long trip!!! But infact the DC-8-62 could do that quite nicely, until the arrival of the 747SP the 62 series was the airliner with longest range, SAS bought it for flights between Scandinavia and California, but that United JFK-HNL route is something I tell you!!!
Thanks for your contribution!
regards


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8115 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2612 times:

What is the flight time from JFK to Honolulu? Whereabouts on the west coast do you begin the Pacific crossing?


fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2577 times:


Hi!

Just to add a lttle about this it's interesting to see that only Panagra ( latter absorved by Braniff ) and United ordered the 62 model, the rest of them where ordered by airlines with truly intercontinental and very long-haul routes, let's see:

Alitalia - 9 X 62 + 2 X 62CF - Probably for flying to South America and USA ( don't forget that Italy is deep in the meditarranean area )

Braniff - 6 X 61 + 1 X 62CF - They got these from Panagra and it fits in the South American network.

Finnair - 3 X 62CF - I can't guess where Finnair used their 62's! USA? Perhaps, other routes? I saw in 1980 a Finnair DC-8-62 landing at Heathrow but this was a rare sight no?

JAL - 10 X 62 + 5 X 62CF - I've seen in the photo/search engine that most of the pictures where taken in California, was this a model exclusif for West Coast operation?

SAS - 7 X 62 + 1 X 62AF + 2 X 62CF - SAS used this model for West Coast flights from Scandinavia but also to South America with a tech stop at Lisbon!!!

Swissair - 5 X 62 + 2 X 62CF - The Swissair network was very big so I'm sure they used worldwide, I'm saw them in Lisbon once in a while and my father that opened the catering service in Luanda / Angola said that Swissair operated a weekly cargo flight from Switzerland, I'm sure this was operated by one of the 2 62CF Swissair had!!!

UTA - 4 X 62 - I guess UTA used them in their flights to deep Africa no?

Any feedback on this will add great fun!
regards



User currently offlineN6801 From Sweden, joined Aug 2001, 192 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2572 times:

Finnair used the DC-8-62's on the JFK-AMS-HEL route.

User currently offlineFanofjets From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1985 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2572 times:

Interestingly, the prototype for the Cammacorp upgrade to CFM-56 power was an ex-United DC-8-62; in the end, nearly every DC-8 airframe so upgraded was a stretch model:

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User currently offlineCF-CPI From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 1062 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2523 times:

A bit off topic, but I'm pleased to know that you are familiar with the DC-8-43, CF-CPI. It is near to my heart, and I flew it in my younger days, from YVR to YYZ. By a stroke of luck we were upgraded and I remember getting an F class meal. It was the first time I had ever seen asparagus. We had veal medallions and a seafood appetizer. High living. This was 1979.

I saw some pix of this very aircraft rusting away in Miami, taken not long after I had ridden on her. I learned early on to appreciate older jets and props! BTW, the CP Air colours would have looked great on the Convair 990, but then anything does.


User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2509 times:


Hi!

Regarding the model 62 converted in 72 series infact there are not many, if we look closely only 7 where converted:

N717NA for NASA was ex: AZ I-DIWK
N728A for ARAMCO was ex: UA N8971U
VR-BJR for Al Nassr Ltd. was ex: UA N8966U
HZ-MS11 for Saudi Royal Flight was ex: UA N8972U
3 X L'Armee de L'Air ex: Finnair OH-LFR/LFS/LFY

From these, 3 where ex: United and the other 7 are also flying one of them ( N8968U ) was converted to freighter.
Regards


User currently offlineMilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2000 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2443 times:

United operated DC-8-62's to HNL from ORD, JFK, DTW, and BWI (then BAL), prior to the introduction of the 747. Only the ORD service was maintained, later operated by both 747's and DC-10's until last last spring when the DC-10's were retired.

After being replaced by wide bodies, the Series 62's were used interchangably with series 20 and 50 aircraft in domestic service. United kept their non fan jet JT-4 powered DC-8's in service longer than most other carriers. The DC-8-33's acquired from Pan Am in 1967-68 were grounded first and parked at DEN in 1974. The series 20's were gone by 1978 being replaced by 727-222A's (N72XXU and N74XXU). The JT-3D powered series 50 passenger aircraft were all retired by 1981. I believe that the 62's were parked at the same time. The airline continued to operate Series 50 all cargo aircraft until about 1986. Two of these aircraft were lost in accidents, one near SLC and the other near DTW. The series 61's were all converted to CF-56 powered series 70 aircraft and were retired by about 1992. The Series 62 aircraft were not repowered because they didn't carry enough passengers to make it economically feasible. Their capacity was similar to a 727-222.


User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6836 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2408 times:

"Great circle" from JFK to HNL passes over Chicago and then something like 40 miles north of San Francisco. So a present-day flight would usually be routed to BEBOP (at 37N 125W) or ALCOA (37-50N, 125-50W I think). Here in Oakland we see lots of Hawaii-bound flights from SLC-ORD-EWR-STL etc.

User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2358 times:

Hi!

Can we say that a flight from JFK-HNL was longer than for example a CPH-LAX or ARN-LAX flown by SAS?
I think this UNITED flight was one of the longest operated by a DC-8 series 62 no?
regards


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8115 posts, RR: 54
Reply 14, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2353 times:

Timz, you were so close to answering my question about flight time from JFK to HNL. Does anyone actually know?!


fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
User currently offlineGr8SlvrFlt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1606 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2340 times:

Eastern made great use of their DC-8-63s on MAC charters to Southeast Asia during the Vietnam war. I imagine UAL might have also.

User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2330 times:


Hi!

Interesting to see that about the Eastern DC-8-63's the model used by them was a hybrid 63 model with some CF upgrades like floor, side cargo door, etc. but used as a true civil version, that model was called PF, the intension was that one day that Eastern or another operator if they wanted to convert in a pure freighter role the expenses where lower than a 63 model.
Regards


User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6836 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2300 times:

7/73 OAG shows UA 989 (D8S) lv JFK 1000 arr HNL 1435-- so 10 hr 35 min. Great-circle distance is only 4330.34 nm, so I assume those SAS flights to LAX were longer.

User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2251 times:


Hi!

Infact that distance is well under the max-range of the 62 model, he could exceed 6000 miles but beeing 10 hours and 35 minutes in a DC-8-62 was a no piece of cake I tell you, specially if you don't have those benefits now possible in new generation jets like PTV, headsets, etc. etc!!!
regards


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2238 times:

I am older than many people here, I flew on a UA DC-8-62 nonstop from HNL to JFK back in 1974 I believe - that year, the flight operated 3 or 4 times per week and was not year round. The DC-8-62s were flown on the thinner Hawaii routes while HNL to SFO/LAX was mainly DC10 and 747 services during this period in the mid-1970s. In 1974, the aircraft that I flew on was in the blue and red UA "stars" livery.

The DC-8-62s were not re-engined as long-haul routes were being operated more and more by wide-bodies (UA was accepting a lot of DC10s and 747s at the time)......remember, those were they days of "WIDE-BODY COMFORT" and pax were expecting wide-bodies on long haul flights and the airlines needed them to compete.

The DC-8-61s were reengined but flew lots of secondary routes for a while, like EWR-ORD, some Hawaii service, JFK-DEN, as UA was a bit late in placing orders for the 757-200......the 757 replaced the DC8-61 in UA's fleet.

Good topic.....thanks!


User currently offlineTan flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1909 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2214 times:

The 62's were great aircraft. I enjoyed them quite a bit.A real seat of your pants take-off with a lite load for a short 90-120 min. flight. (Would compare to a 757 on a lite load.)

The 63's/73's were also used quite a bit on ORD-SEA/PDX/SFO(off times)/SAN as well as ORD-MIA/FLL.

Many pleasant memorys of DC-8's. Truly a great airplane!


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