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KLM Says Can Survive Alone For Decades  
User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (14 years 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1158 times:

KLM shares jumped nearly 7% Thursday on top of 6% earlier this week.


Pretty remarkable compared to AA, UA, BA, LH and Delta Q4 results. Can they survive alone ?

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User currently offline747firstclass From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (14 years 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1112 times:

I have often felt they can survive for decades. They claim to be more pleasure and leisure travel oriented. You would have a tough time getting me to believe that. I have flowen them in business class transatlantic many times and think they are among the best in business class. If in fact they are leisure travel oriented and a bit cheaper than BA,LH, AF etc. than in a recession passengers may scout out cheaper alternatives such as KL. So I think that with the KL alliance, that business strategy etc. they have their bases covered very well. I think that statement about being able to survive decades is true and also partly a statement intended for BA. They are telling BA that they dont need BA as much as BA needs KL. Consequently, BS should cough up slots at LHR so there is openskies and the KL/BA alliance can go through. Until that time, KL is not at all interested.

User currently offlineFlanor From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (14 years 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1108 times:

KLM an BA have tried to agree to a merger time and again. Now that BA/AA is out of the way the chances have gotten better. Also the current state of the business adds some pressure. Nevertheless it will never be posssible to find a division of power over the merged airline in a way that satisfies both KLM an BA.

My humble opinion is that they should try to join their european operations into one new airline to feed their hubs with each keeping a separate intercontinental operation. BA is considering seperating their european and intercontinental operations anyway.

How about it?

User currently offlineTripple7 From Netherlands, joined Aug 1999, 539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (14 years 3 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1092 times:

I doubt if KLM can survive alone. They need alliances with NW, MAS, KQ, CO etc.... Without these alliances KLM would have been worse off...so to say that KLM can survive alone is not true. KLM indeed has shown great results compared to other airlines and is performing relatively well. But KLM still has an operating loss....and KLM management will do everything to make that loss as little as possible or try to turn it in a profit soon. This includes forming alliances...some where just recently formed with CO and BA. They are not going to throw away cash. So KLM can not survive alone.

User currently offline747firstclass From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (14 years 3 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1089 times:

I meant that KL could survive with its alliance with NW but does not really need BA, at this time. BA needs KL much, much more. To me KL is definetly in the drivers seat, at least on the issue of BA/KL.

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