N6801 From Sweden, joined Aug 2001, 192 posts, RR: 0 Posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1266 times:
Being a great fanatic of the planes of yesteryear, friends of mine from time to time have told me that a trip out to the Arizona desert would be just the vacation treat for me. I don't know, walking amidst the partially-scrapped Convair 880's and 990's, being re-united with the permanently de-engined DC-8's I used to fly on and other fallen giants of days gone by would probably have more of a negative effect on me than positive.
Finding myself in the perfect company to ask, I would really appreciate hearing anyone's opinion on the topic. Those of you who have been out there, what was it like?
Sushka From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 4784 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1212 times:
I went to the Goodyear graveyard in Arizona. It was pretty awesome!! There were a bunch of old United and American DC10-10s and a couple Delta Express 737-200s. Midway also had some of thier 737s parked there.
Fanofjets From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2113 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1165 times:
I agree, N6801. I feel a sadness when I see those old birds. I also grew up flying on DC-8s and 707s; they were beautiful planes and, at the time, positively futuristic. I must also admit that I have a morbid fascination with these pictures. But I'm not sure if I'd like to see the rotting aluminum in person.
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Lapa_saab340 From Spain, joined Aug 2001, 394 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1167 times:
N6801, I've never had the chance to visit a graveyard, but just looking at those pictures is depressing. I'd love to go have a look around, but I think I'd feel sadness too, knowing that those planes will never fly again.
United_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7628 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1141 times:
There aren't any that are open to the public to just walk around that I know of. Davis-Monthan AFB in Tucson has (had?) tours from the AMARC museum for like $5 for US citizens. I went in '00 and you ride around the base in a Greyhound-type bus and you get to see the 707/720's being parted-out. Also get to see B52's being guetined (sp?) and left apart for 30 days so Russian satellites can see that they really are being broken up.
I've also been to Mojave,Kingman-many TWA L1011's and Victorville,CA also Maxton,NC. I'de love to be able to tour Marana,though!
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IMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6470 posts, RR: 31
Reply 13, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1093 times:
AMARC tours are given Monday through FFiday. from the Pima Air And Space Museum. The tour is $6.00 US per person and well worth the hour it takes. Just don't plan on going on any US holiday, no matter how minor, and have a valid picture ID with you. And lots of film. Also be first in line to get a window seat.
As for the aircraft storage yards, you will not find CV-880s or 990s in any. The exception is at MHV. There is a 990 preserved and an 880 (hopefully) being restored to flying condition.
I can tell you most about the Arizona yards.
Kingman is OK. Not a massive facility but you can see what is there.
Goodyear is better. You can, or used to be able to, drive around the fence surrounding the stored aircraft. Lso at Goodyear is the last DC-7 built. At least it was 2 years ago.
Marana (Pinal Air Park) is best viewed from 6 miles away east of I-10. Take the Marana exit, head east (isn't that a band from the 70s?), turn left and go 5 miles north to Missle Base Road. Get out with your binoculars or suoer telephoto lens and look at the hundreds of aircraft. You can't identify specific aircraft but it's the best overview you'll get. Unless, of course you hire someone to fly you out there. Contrary to popular opinion, private aircraft can land here. You just can't leave the ramp.
Continue south on I-10 to Avra Valley road, head west about about 7 miles and you will come to Avra Valley Airport. (now called Marana Northwest, yuck!) At this field are based several WWII aircraft owned by the Abrams family. You're not likely to see them unless there is an airshow going on. It is also the winter training base for the Red Baron Stearmans. Whwn they are in town the best place to see them practicing is the Missle Base road site mentioned above. If one were to head west from the airport itself, they would come across a sign for The Marans Skydiving Center. Turn right and go down this road a bit and you will come to Vern Raburn's hangar. This is the home for the MATS Connie. Last I was there, the Dutch Connie was still present. You will also see a sizeable fleet, of C-54s and Convairs and the last DC-4 built. It is stored in in USAF markings. This is the storage yard for Central Air Services.
Head east on I-10 about 25 miles to I-19. South on I-19 to valencia road, turn left and go 5 or so miles. Turn right on Park Avenue and you will soon see Hamilton Aviation. Quite a collection of 727s, the 2 Mexicargo 707, 2 old TWA L-1011s, the ex Akdeniz A300 and who knows what else at any given time. One half mile south of Hamilton is the Pima College Aviation department. Here is the hulk of L-1011, XU-600, ex-Air Kampuchea. This will be around for several years.
Go back to Valencia, turn right and go another few miles. One mile past I-10, you will come to the Pima Air Museum. Over 250 aircraft on display including: The only Martin Mariner in the world, the first jet aircraft to carry a US president, the last piston aircraft to carry a US president, the last B-17 to serve on active duty in the US miltary, the smallest manned aircraft in existence that ever carried a human, the only B-52A left, the last B-58 built, the oldest Connie (I believe) in the world, the oldest turbine powered airliner in the world and much more.
Not that I'm proud of the Museum or anything. I've only been going out there since two years before it opened.
OK, I'll stop playing Chamber of Commerce for Tucson now. Of course if you stop by the air museum, I may just be the first person you see there.
Ya'll come vist now, y'hear.
PS : did I mention the Martin 4-O-4 we just got? The battle is on between the historic groups for the right to pay for a paint job in their airlines colors. I hope Piedmont's group wins but it looks as thoughthey are a long shot.
I am glad I was around to fly before de-regulation.
Learpilot From United States of America, joined May 2001, 814 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1074 times:
Where did the 4-0-4 come from. I flew into DUG (Douglas-Bisbee) a few years ago and there was a derelect one on the field. It had been converted to a sprayer, but it hadn't flown in 15 years. About a year later there was a story about it in the may/june 2000 airliners magazine. The article said that it had been sold to the Save A Connie foundation in Kansas City. At the St. Louis labor day airshow this year, I was talking to the SAC guys, and they said they left it there and sold it to someone else. Is this the one you got? The tail #'s N472M.
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N6801 From Sweden, joined Aug 2001, 192 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1027 times:
Thanks, IMissPiedmont, for the info. If not for me, I'm sure your details and descriptions will probably benefit many. I also feel a lot better hearing these places described as restoring sites rather than scrapyards. I'd like to see that B-58 (never actually seen one "in person")!
HB-IQF From Germany, joined Jan 2002, 103 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1009 times:
just was over there in ´00 ! But i only had the time during a roundtrip with my girlfriend to spot at Mohave
(Various nbr of civil A/C and some KC-135´s ) also good
as already stated is Kingman (some TWA L1011 and a lot of Jetstreams and some ATP´s from UA )
also always good for spotter surprises is Chandler Memorial...(I got there a super Connie and a 737-100 !!!) also good for some stored A/C is Las Vegas Intl./NV (not far from Kingman, Some UA DC-10´s and a few 727 std there).
But still the best for storded A/C is Arizona ! Just one good tip: Check out every Airport/Airfiel and Airpark !
You will find a lot of surprises...
For an actual storage List of all the well known Airport check out this Link: www.cactuswings.com
If you have some questions for you trip, send them an E-Mail and they will give you some good infos !
I did that also ! So i can tell you they are the best for
Infos about std A/C in Western USA !!!