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Re: LatinAmerican Airlines  
User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2717 posts, RR: 14
Posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1085 times:


As most of you might know, I am facinated with this region of the world and I always want current info on whats going on. Anyway, I have looked at the various countries that compose Latin America and I have compared their national airlines to whats going on with their economies and their politics. Anyway, this is only my opinion and not a statistical research report, so your knowledge and opinions are valuable.

Let me start by comparing the largest Latin American countries and their airlines.

The largest economies in Latin America are as follows:

1.) Brazil
2.) Mexico
3.) Argentina
4.) Chile
5.) ?
6.) ?

1.) Brazil has the largest economy, so therefore it has the largest airlines. Varig's fleet is currently at 75 aircraft and Vasp is around 49. It seems to me that Varig is the only World Class airline because it has a history of good reputation and a history of having far reached destinations. It is currently the only airline in Latin America that serves the Asian continent. It is also very well known in Europe, because they fly to almost all the large capitals of the continent. Although, it has fallen a bit due to the economic crisis it still remains on the top spot in Latin America.

2.) Mexico has the second largest economy and ofcourse the second and third largest airlines in Latin America. AeroMexico is the second largerst air carrier in Latin America and is composed of 65 aircraft and Mexicana de Aviacion is at 55. Although both airlines are owned by Cintra, the parent group, Mexican laws state that they can never merge. Most likely they will be sold off this year. Both airlines have a good on time reputation and both are very profitable. Mexicana is the oldest airline in N.America and the 4th oldest in the world. It also has the pride of having the first jet service in Latin America. These airlines have both anounced that they are joining the new alliances. AeroMexico is best friends with Delta and Air France, while Mexicana is close to United, Lufthansa and Air Canada.

3.) Argentian: Well, what can I say. Although Argentinians love to travel and Argentina is a very visited country it seems like Aerolineas Argentinas won't be able to make it.... I am wondering how much more time it has left of survival. Would anyone like to guess? Would LAPA do a better job flying the Argentine flag throught out the world. Maybe, it would?
LAPA seems like it is much faster at responding to it's social climate. While AR, it's like a gov run agency.
LAPA unlike AR is very interested in renewing it's fleet.

4.) Chile. Chile's economy has been the darling of the 1990's. It's economy has been growing at an unprecidented rate. Along with it's thriving economy is it's thriving national airline. LAN Chile has provably the best in-flight service of any other latin american airline. It is always porforming on the top stops. Too me this airline seems like the Singapore Airlines of the South.
Lan Chile has provably one of the most beautifull liveries of all. A region know for color, it has one of the best corporate images.

As for the othe contries, It would take a whole book to descrive them. However, I can mention something of about some of them.

Taca is one of the most intelligent airlines. It has managed to unite all the central american airlines and branded them with one corporate image. It is often improving and expanding it's service to other parts of the world. recently it opened it's new braches in Peru, TACA PERU and Cuba, TACA Inter.

Avianca has the honor of being the oldest airline in the all of the America's. It is the 3rd oldest airline in the world. However, due to it's countries political and social problems it has many problems, but has learned to survive vigoriously.

Avensa, Although Venezuela is filthy rich in Oil, It is one of the poorest countries in the region. Years of corruption have left the country at a sorried state. Avensa seems like it is expanding opening new services to Europe and elsewhere.


If I missed your contry, please write and mention about it. I will trully apreciate it. I don't know exactly what the category is like regarding the number to which each contry belongs to. But if you know, let me know.
If you have any thing to say about any airline in the region let me know.







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User currently offlineLeoDF From Mexico, joined Aug 1999, 359 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 824 times:

Hi! I am also into the region. I live in Mexico City. My favourite airline is Mexicana. But I also like Lloyd Aereo Boliviano, for Bolivia, as you know, is a poor country, but still manages to have an airline with A310's, 727's, F-27's and a 737. I always compare this to Paraguay, that has Lapsa, but is owned by Saeta of Ecuador. Of course, LAB is owned by VASP but it is better to be owned by a Brazilian Airline than from a Ecuatorian one... I think Vasp's interest in LAB made it possible for LAB to keep on flying and be one the few latin american airlines without a money loss. I like very much the color schemes of Vasp, Ecuatoriana and LAB, and whenever I can I go to Mexico City airport and admire the 727 that arrives daily except for Friday and Sunday. Well that's my opinion. And I would really like to have the book Airlines of latin america since 1919. But I still think it is too expensive.

LeoDF



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User currently offlineBacardi182 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 815 times:

i live in argentina and have a few words to say about the airliners here. First thing is first, i woud never want to fly on LAPA, i hear the service is good but i dont fly on airlines were the pilot puts the flaps in the wrong position for take off and crashes. Also, i have a friend that flew on lapa from atlanta to buenos aires (non-stop) that made a scheduled landing in cancun to pick up more passengers. great non-stop service huh? Aerolineas argentina is a peice of s**t. i have never flow on aa and been happy at the end of the flight. the seats are very small, the service is absolutly horible, the planes are old and tend to smell very bad, and every landing ive been on in their aircraft is very scary and i am relieved to be on the ground after. other people are also relived. on a flight from miami, after a very bad landing, the people in the cabin clapped till we had taxied to the gate. i try to avoid flying on argentine airways and only fly aerolinieas argetna for the miles. (i am advantage gold on american). when i fly to uraguay i fly pluna (not a bad airline) the service was good and they served a full meal on a 45 minute flight. i also fly lan chile to santiago when i fly eze-santiago-dfw. lan chile is an excelent airline and i would chose to fly with them anytime. i prefer lan chile to american airlines. To finish things off, argentine airliners suck and when aerolineas goes bankrupt, expect to see many more flights to eze from the states by united and american

ps- argentine people are to corrupt to run a good airline


User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4304 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 807 times:

LatinPlane:
This is the order of size of economy:
1. Brazil
2. Mexico
3. Argentina
4. Venezuela (but sinking fast... )
5. Colombia
6. Chile
7. Peru

Bacardi182:
Are you really Argentine?
But, that said, I have to agree. AR really is bad. As for LAPA, they are our only hope. Maybe they learned something after the Aeroparque crash. However, I must take exception on the flights from the U.S. Honestly, UA & AA are part of the problem. They are trying to bring down Latin airlines for their own obscure goals of hemisphere domination. No wonder AMR left from the Aerolineas deal right after the Open Skies agreement, they wanted to finish AR in order to take over their routes. The Argentine government has done something good for a change & suspended the agreement with the U.S on this issue.
Good things about Argentina: Argentina has the best internet companies in Latin America. We are #1 in cable companies & connections, #1 in cellular phones, we have the biggest candy maker in the world, Arcor, the best meat in the world, as everyone knows, the largest multimedia company, ClarinGroup (TV, Cable, satellite TV, newspapers, etc), the best sports network: TyC, (jointly with FOXSports en Espanol), some of the largest stainless steel companies, but we have horrible airlines.....maybe we are just not good at this because everyone in Argentina is busy travelling, not SERVING the traveller... 
Derico



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User currently offlineBacardi182 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 799 times:

i am not argentine, i am living here because of my dad's job. I agree with u that american is trying to finish off aeorlineas just so they can get the routes. but aeorlineas is a very bad airline and needs to change if it is to survive. LAPA is the only hope but its going to tkae a while for them to get people to forget about the crash. I think lapa is the best airline for domestic flights in argentina but if aeorlineas goes bankrupt, there will not really be an argentine airliner for international routes.

ps-the women and meat here is the best. but the coruption is to great for a company to do very well here. to much money is spent on bribing police and government officials.


User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4304 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 799 times:

I agree 100%. That is the nature of things. And yes, if AR goes, is there own fault. Argentines travel, Europeans & Americans fly a lot to Argentina, & business men too. If they can't earn 1 stupid cent with those advantages, then they have to go. LAPA will not take over anytime soon, so I agree, Argentina will be a while without a flagship international carrier. The corruption is as bad in Argentina as anywhere else in Latin America. That is no excuse to run a bad company. Shame on AR (& the Spanish for finishing it off).


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User currently offlineBacardi182 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 793 times:

you are right. it is there own fault. if united and american are making tons of money by flying down hear with full planes and shitty service. then why can't ar do it?

User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2717 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 794 times:

Hello, Leo DF.


First of all, I am pleased to meet you. I understand that you have a web site made for Mexican Aviation and I have visited it. I would like to congradulate you for that matter.

I am also interested in the book, ''Airlines of Latin America since 1921'' I once saw it here in a store, but I was scared away because the price was about $75.00. Althought it is worth the price it was written in the early 80's so it now needs a replacement or an update. However, I was able to get good quality information that I have never seen anywhere else.

I would also like to point out that you are right about the LAB, Lloyd Aereo Boliviano. I was in fact going to mention it in my article, but I had to leave for a moment and time ran out. I think that you are very right LAB has a pretty interesting fleet or aircraft. I wouldn't mind flying on their A310 at all. LAB has had better success than it's close brother AeroPeru which unfortunatly had to suspend operations. However, I am not to sure about Ecuatoriana. I have heard that Ecuatoriana is having some problems and needed some money injection. I wouldn't dought that because of the fact that Ecuador's economy is at such a poor state.


Well, Leo DF. I really admire your pictures that you have posted and you have a nice web. Thanks and keep in touch.




User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2717 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 790 times:


Hello Derico and Bacardi182!

First of all, thank you Derico for your info on the Economies. That really helped. I would have thought that Chile's economy was larger because Chileans overall have a better standard of living than Venezuelans and Colombians.

But you have to hand it to the Chileans, because they have managed to turn their country and national airline into a shining star. If all the hispanic countries managed to do their homework like they did, then we would really have an edge on things.

Now since Derico is half Argentinian and Bacardi is living there then you very aware of what is going on there.
I liked the fact that Derico knows his stuff on Argentina.
I know that all that Argentina is known for. However, It's kind of sad when you know that your national airline
is the worst of the worst. But that is life and I agree with Bacardi182 on critizing your people or your country for not living up to their full potential. That is just a form of constructive critizism. I often do that too with my mother country. I was born in the U.S. but my parents are from a Latin American country, and the people from that country are very nationalistic like most other Latin American countries. I often get critized or get called a ''sellout'' by my people because I say things the way they are, without hiding anything....

However, I am proud of the airlines that represent that country because they have always provided a good service whenever, I have flown with them.


So as too Aerolineas Argentinas, everyone recognizes that they are bad, but the question is that how long do they have to live.....?




User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4304 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 792 times:

Latinplane:
Maybe we will know by next week, because there is a meeting of the owners of AR. Like I wrote above, I am ashamed of AR, it is a disgrace the state that this airline is in.

As for the economies, just because a country has a bigger economy doesn't mean they live better. Colombia has a bigger economy than Chile simply because Colombia has 40 million people, Chile has 16 million. The more people, the bigger the economy.

In standards of living, however Chileans are WAY better off than Colombians. In fact I have a list here so that you know, comparing size of the economy with what people earn, & therefore how high their standards of living are. This is all from the World Bank book:

Size of Economy

1. Brazil (650billion)
2. Mexico (490billion)
3. Argentina (305billion)
4. Venezuela (90billion)
5. Colombia ( 85billion)
6. Chile (70billion)
7. Peru (60billion)

Standard of living/ Per capita income in US dollars

1. Argentina ($8,500)
2. Uruguay ($6,300)
3. Chile ($5,800)
4. Brazil ($3,500)
5. Mexico ($3,400)
6. Venezuela ($2,900)
7. Colombia ($2,100)
8. Peru ($1,900)

That is how you divide the economy by the population.
Hope now you understand why Chile is not as big, but more prosperous



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User currently offlineA300 American From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 785 times:

Hey All,

Everyone who has mentioned that the Latin American governments are corrupt as hell are right on the money. Just take a good look at AeroPeru. The tourism here is exploding and AeroPeru has managed to screw it up (it´s been in the making for years). Peru has a couple mentionable domestic airlines.
1) Aero Continente (fleet of B737-200s, B727s, 1 B757 and supposedly an L-1011)
2) Taca (can´t remember what they operate)
3) Lan Peru (fleet of 2 B737-200s & don´t know how many-B767s) - parent company is Lan Chile
4) Tans (fleet of B737-200s)-Govn´t owned

American Airlines WAS operating national routes (Lima-Cusco) using a B757, but I don´t know what happened to that. I´ve heard they could operate only using tourists coming in the country using their service. I guess to protect the Peruvian carriers.

Latest news is the United Airlines has decided to abandon it´s Miami-Lima routes due to tons of competition with this popular route.

Happy Flying!
A300 American


User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2717 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 781 times:


Hey Derico, Thanks a lot.

I should be more carefull on how I word things, but Maybe I should take Economics 101 again. I took that class 2 years ago in college, but I had the worst Proffesor............. He was from Bolivia and I could not understand what he was saying (his accent was bad) . Not to say that Bolivians are bad, but It's just that he had such a bad temper, whenever you didn't understand something you would be afraid of asking him, because he would get mad!

Well, I managed to pass the class but with a ''C'' which means that I attended the classes but I didn't learn anything. In other words: The light was on, but nobody was home.... 



User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2717 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 779 times:


I certainly agree with you. I visited Peru just one month before AeroPeru quit, and I was left wondering???? why does an airline like that go bankrupt living in such a tourist oriented country like Peru.


Many people were blaming the Mexicans as it was partly owned by Cintra (Parent country of AeroMexico & Mexicana) and I have to agree that if they should have paid a little more attention to it, then it would have had a change. However, I really don't think that it was all their fault. Just look at all the airlines that have come and gone in Peru. Faucett, Americana, etc, etc, I mean every airline that starts service there ends up bankrupt. Not just that but, I noticed how AeroContinente which is owned by a drug dealer was pushing the competion out by charging ridiculous low fairs. $25.00 and even $19.00 fairs anywhere in the country. I mean how can anyone live off that.!!!!

I belive that Cintra and Delta figured out that AeroPeru was not worth saving because nobody in Gov. really wanted to do something about it. It's such a shame because a country like Peru should have a well established airline. I don't blame Cintra and Delta for not wanting to invest in Aeroperu anymore because they knew that AeroContinente was involved in the Drug cartel and quite frankly, nobody is a match for them. Even worst, nobody in Gov. wanted to do something about it.




User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4304 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 780 times:

Hey guys:

Before the whole Forum goes ahead and jumps in to the
"Latin Americans are the most corrupt in the world" bandwagon, let me say that while this may be absolutely true, the reason that it has had an impact on companies in Latin America is because most of them used to be OWNED by the government. In Europe & the U.S, companies have been private for a long time, minimizing the bad influence of bureaucracy. But if anyone really thinks that European & American governments are CORRUPTION FREE, then you must really be dreaming!!

Latinplane: If you look at my user info, there you see I also like Finance, that is why I know about those things...  
Derico



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User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2717 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 776 times:


Yes, Derico you definetly right about that.


Lets clear things up a bit for all the people. I believe that corruption is everywhere, and the U.S. is not exempt from it. However, it is seen somewhat less here than in other parts of the world where coruption is the authority. At least here in the U.S. if you are cought you will be prosecuted and sent to jail.


In Europe we've seen it all. Look at all the state run airlines. Air France, Iberia, Lufthansa, Alitalia. Can you belive how much money they have lost........
Each one has lost several ''billions'' of dollars and still they are flying.

No airline in the U.S. or anywhere else would be allowed to do that because the gov. here would not bail them out. Look at Pan Am. It lost so much money before it ceased operations but it never had an option of the gov, coming to bail it out. Although I wish it had, thats just our laws. Well, we lost our national pride, but thats just the way things work around here.



User currently offlineLeoDF From Mexico, joined Aug 1999, 359 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 781 times:

LeoDF again!

Hi! MM thank you for your comments!! Have you ever seen or maybe you have it the book Latin Glory?? I think it is one of the best aviation books!! Especially the chapters dedicated to Bolivia and Mexico. Airlines in Mexico that I saw but never photographed, for I was too little. I mean I'm only 17 at the moment. Jaja many people say I'm too young, but you don't know how well you feel when someone at my age comes and congratulates you on your photos. That's about the only thing that goes right in my life right now. It is very very comforting!!!

Well just wrote to thank you!!!

LeoDF



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User currently offlineShanti From Senegal, joined Dec 1999, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 770 times:

I have been flying in LAC for long and believe that so many nat airlines are not economically sustainable nor efficient. Take Ecuador, for example, where you have SAETA, ECUATORIANA, TAME in a relatively small Country with only 2 big cities.
The way to go should necessarily be MERGING on a REGIONAL basis and TACA is the best example. Major Regional airlines should coagulate minor ones with great benefits in terms of safety, fares and service.
Latin America has a history of national prides but airlines today are no longer a matter of flags and hymns
What do you think?


User currently offlineShanti From Senegal, joined Dec 1999, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 765 times:

I have been flying in LAC for long and believe that so many nat airlines
are not economically sustainable nor efficient. Take Ecuador, for
example, where you have SAETA, ECUATORIANA, TAME in a relatively small
Country with only 2 big cities.
The way to go should necessarily be MERGING on a REGIONAL basis and TACA
is the best example. Major Regional airlines should coagulate minor ones
with great benefits in terms of safety, fares and service.
Latin America has a history of national prides but airlines today are no
longer a matter of flags and hymns
What do you think?


User currently offlineFlying-tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4161 posts, RR: 36
Reply 18, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 764 times:

As you´re all interested in airlines in Latin-America here is what I can provide: The fleet data from most of the regio airlines in this part of the world. Please check my site to learn more about them. Choose "Worldmap" in the pull-down menu, the rest is very easy. What do you think about this site?

Best regards
Flying-Tiger
http://fly.to/rorders



Flown: A319/320/321,A332/3,A380,AT4,AT7,B732/3/4/5/7/8,B742/4,B762/763,B772,CR2,CR7,ER4,E70,E75,F50/70,M11,L15,S20
User currently offlineRch From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 761 times:

I am studying in USA, so I periodically fly between Argentina and USA. Last time I did, it was with Aerolineas Argentinas (in June) and in addition to the fact that the plane was delayed and had mechanical problems the service was terrible. Next week I am flying with LAPA from Atlanta, does anybody have any idea how LAPA's service is? The ticket was pretty cheap, so I am starting to wonder again about the quality of service.


User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4304 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 758 times:

Hi,
I think we can safely say AR is a hated airline! I guess they brought this to themselves, so, they can't blame anyone...
LAPA: Well, this is an airline that has been private all of its existence. LAPA has grown considerably over the decade of the 90's, along with many other new airlines in Argentina (Southern Winds, Dinar, Alas Doradas, etc.),
taking advantage of a robust economy. What I have been told is that LAPA has good service. I think the Atlanta flight will be even better for you, because this is their breakout route internationally, so they want to present a good image. I think it should be a good flight.
LAPA did have a crash in August of last year, & there were some safety concerns, but these were mostly EXAGERATED by the local media, as usual. Just like the story here in the U.S about pilots being asleep in flight that scared many simply because it was so taken out of proportion, so are the safety questions of LAPA. So, don't worry, & have a safe trip.
Derico



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User currently offlineMX-757 From Mexico, joined Dec 1999, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 756 times:

I just write this to tell you something about:

Argentina #1 in cellular telephones?
Largest Media Company?
Largest Candy Maker?
Better ISP's?

Well, I don't think so, 'cause
Mexico has greater cellular companies, and also they have digital services, and also much more cellular phones.
Televisa is the biggest Media Company in Latin America
Arcor? I don't even know about them
You bet! There are many more ISP's here in Mexico plus better services

So, before saying something, be more informed!


User currently offlineBacardi182 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 750 times:

he is right about internet service providers! i have a cable modem here in argentina and it is a peice of crap. it is always out of service and is slow as hell!
argentina also has digital phone service.


User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4304 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 757 times:

Ok, lets see this point by point:
-Argentina has more cellular phones per person than any latin country, this is a fact. But I would say Mexico has probably more cell phones overall, because of the population difference.
-Televisa is the largest MEDIA company in latin America, you are right, this was my mistake, because I was thinking of South America only.
-Arcor: It is not my fault you have never heard of them.
In Argentina, nobody knows of Pizza Hut, even though they are the largest Pizza chain in the world. Trust me, they are the largest.
-& as for internets: El Sitio.com, one of the first latin companies in the New York stock Exchange, Yupi.com, from ARG, Patagon.com (First finance site were you can trade stocks) Terra.com (partly owned by Spain Telefonica), LaNacion Newspaper internet (#1 prize in the world outside the U.S.A according to an international contest on internet newspaper sites)
TyC.com.ar (#1 prize for best sports page online),
Cordoba.com.ar( best promotion site in S.America) & I could go on & on, so, don't get upset, these are just facts. Mexico is #1 in many things Argentina is not, so
you don't have to be upset. Anyways, bye.



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User currently offlineMX-757 From Mexico, joined Dec 1999, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 749 times:

It's OK, I'm not upset, but I thought I had to say that.

After all we are Latinamerican people, aren't we?
Bye



25 Post contains images Derico : Of course. But just so that I'm fair let me say this about Mexico: -Televisa IS the largest media company, so I apologize for my mistake. -Telmex is t
26 Rawch : Hello everybody! First of all, let me tell you guys that although I don't post often, I always read the posts that concern Latin America. I lived in P
27 Latinplane : O.K. you guys. uhh, I knew that someone was bound to get all nationalistic sooner or later. But, what the heck, you guys are all right. I mean, you al
28 Derico : I read a newspaper clip indicating that AeroMex & Mexicana will be sold!! Is this true?? I think that could be a mistake by Mexico, specially if they
29 CometII : Why are you calling people stupid? It is not the people of Argentina's fault their goverment made a bad business deal. Dont go around & call people st
30 Post contains images Derico : I AM SICK & TIRED OF THIS!!! You know, I believed this Forum was a good place to talk about positive & negative aspects about airliners. I WAS WRONG.
31 Post contains images Latinplane : I just want to set things straight.... Derico like I (Latinplane) live in a country where you can speak you mind out. U.S.A. We here, have a law calle
32 Latinplane : Yes, you are right! I think that the Mexican Government is trying to disband what they call a monopoly. They believe that because AeroMexico and Mexi
33 Latinplane : It is my belive that Panama has much potential. Panama city has the largest business district in central America. I have read reports that Continental
34 Derico : Thanks for that, Latinplane. I'm not upset, I just pretended I was so I made the reply as "angry" looking as possible. But it does really crap me when
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