Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (13 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1885 times:
My opinion is that many are over-reacting to the current UA situation - while DIA is reliant on UA as its major operator, UA is a huge airline that probably will not go bankrupt, and even if it does, it will reorganize its debts and obligations and not cease to exist. CO has been through the bankruptc twice and is thankfully still with us, in better shape than most and certainly a far imporved carrier.
DIA was a very expensive over-budget project from its inception, and while it may have difficulty in the financial markets for the moment, its future is not in jeopardy.
Flyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 2 months 4 weeks ago) and read 1823 times:
I say we get Centennial, Front Range, or Jeffco certified for scheduled air carrier operations and put DEN out of its misery
In all seriousness, Front Range (FTG) has some mighty optimistic plans for the future. Rwy. 17/35 expanded to 12000ft, and a second N/S 12000ft runway being built, as well as a control tower. This would make for a cargo/industrial center. It would be much better for cargo operators as it would have direct highway and rail links (unlike DEN), none of the passenger traffic to deal with, and lower fees. This is what FTG is counting on to be able to lure DEN's cargo traffic away. I don't know how successful they'll be if they even get it built, but its one more thing that DEN has to face in its long term outlook.
DIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1764 times:
I agree with Dutchjet.
DIA will be fine. there are always rough waters somewhere, but the afflicted always make it through.
Besides, if UAL did fall, other airlines would be more than happy to fill the gaps at the necessary airports. Like UAL did at Stapleton when Continental left; I remember seeing an increase in UAL flights and size of aircraft. Delta filled the void at ATL when Eastern fell, and so on.
DIA is a great location for a hub, some airline will always have DIA as a hub.
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Shawn Patrick From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2608 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1747 times:
I agree with DIA that lots of other airlines would rush to fill UAL's gaps if in fact UAL ever went away (unlikely, IMO)
The reason airlines aren't flocking to DEN (lately the have, actually ) is because UA has a sort of monopoly on that place. They are hogging all the space. If UA left, there is a whole lot of empty space up for grabs.
Bottom line: DEN is certainly not in serious trouble.
Scottb From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6969 posts, RR: 31
Reply 7, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1745 times:
The big issue here is the enormous amount of bonded indebtedness carried by the airport; that's a big part of why fees at DEN are so unbelievably high. By comparison, the Houston Airport System (IAH, HOU, and EFD) had just over half the operating/debt service expense of DEN in 2000 -- while processing more passengers in total.
I think the entrance of a strong low-fare carrier like Southwest at COS would also be a concern for DIA, in case that were to draw a significant amount of traffic away from DEN. Though Frontier is cheaper than United, they're not really "low-fare"; ABQ-DEN averages $180 for 349 miles on Frontier; ABQ-PHX averages $69 for 328 miles on WN.
Buckfifty From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1316 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1687 times:
It's unfair to compare DIA to airports like IAH, simply because it is still carrying debt from it's construction in the first place. A huge burden, at this very juncture, is the construction of the new runway, when there is not enough traffic expansion to justify it's use.
I'm sure it will pick up at DIA. It's got probably the best expansion infrastructure of any airport on the continental U.S. And rest assured, it will be here for many many more years to come...
Flyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1665 times:
BA, actually, it is somewhat being built with explansion in mind, as it would be quite possible and much cheaper to just expand one of the current runways to 16000ft. I believe the best place to do this would be the south end of Rwy. 16/34. There is easily another 4000-6000ft of space before it would become an issue with Rwy. 7/25. And, another bonus, it already has the parallel taxiway there and in service. I believe it would be a much better and cheaper alternative. Another possibility would be to expand Rwy. 17L/35R by 2000ft on each end.
Penguinflies From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 992 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1647 times:
If you consider DIA in big trouble because of its debt, then there is no airport in the Western Hemisphere you can really compare it too.
DIA made a good point, also look at Pan Am's holdings, and to a lessor extent with TWA assests being purchased by AA. In the hub cities, if a carrier vacates, there will be another airline to fill the ramp.
Rydawg82 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 869 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1585 times:
The grading is all done for the new runway at DEN....My last two segments thru Denver I got photos....Basically it just needs the final stages, paving, lighting, etc....As a bloke who almost went into Civil Engineering I understand there is far more to the project...Im just saying its not comming from a dead start, some leg work has already begun....
And if only someone could waive a wond and bring Stapleton back, live would be good!
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