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User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1025 times:

Much discussed but interesting: Is Vuelamex really dead? Is there a chance that they will get airborne?
Would be nice to see a 717 in this beautiful livery...

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User currently offlineEduardo Lepe From Mexico, joined Feb 2002, 172 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 972 times:

Hy,
Well what is going on with VUELAMEX??? :-|
I was also was wondering when they will star operations, I read that also AeroMéxico was thinking to buy some B717-200 to replace his DC9’s. What realy upsead me was that Mexicana is also retiring his B727  Pissed. And introducing new A319.
But talking about VUELAMEX here you can check the B717 that they have on Long Beach, US.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=201207
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=192656
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=192655

Hope to see that small and nice aircraft over Mexican Skies.

P.S. the DC9’s probably will be moved of AeroMéxico and give them to Aero California, or Aviacsa.
 Smile
Best Regards
Luis Eduardo Lepe S.
Air Photography of México.



Best Regards!!! Eduardo Lepe.
User currently offlineLGB Photos From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 945 times:

There are only 3 VuelaMex 717s now as one has been repainted and going to Air Tran. I don't see them getting these planes..

User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 939 times:

Eduardo Lepe
Do you have any infos about Aeromexico and the 717?
This was a long time rumor, but I haven't hear anything new...
717fan


User currently offlineEduardo Lepe From Mexico, joined Feb 2002, 172 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 922 times:

Nope sorry  Sad
AeroMéxico also said that he is going to get a B747-200 from Alitalia or a B747-300 i don't remember very well, but it seems to be a big lie because i don't see any movement,

But i read that AeroMéxico probably but or B717 or B737.

If I get andy notice i will contact you, for more info ok  Smile

Best Regards
Luis Eduardo Lepe S.
Aviation Photography of México



Best Regards!!! Eduardo Lepe.
User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2724 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 906 times:

It is believed that AM will opt for the 737 family to replace the MD-80s. The DC-9s will be all gone by this year. These are being replaced by 2nd hand MD-87 aircraft. I don't believe that AM is looking at the 717 too much. I can tell you that by the looks of things, VuelaMex will probably never get off the ground. First of all, the CEO isn't liked as an airline director due to his horrible management with the TAESA fiasco that lead to the crash of a TAESA DC-9 in 1999. Then there is the pressure from the Cintra group to not let any new intrants in the domestic market due to the already high competion amongst the already too many Mexican airlines: AeroMexico, Mexicana, AeroCalifornia, Aviacsa, Aerolineas Azteca, Aerolineas Internacionales, AeroCaribe, Allegro, and AeroMar. I think these are enough airlines to support the domestic market, which is currenty suffering from the 9/11 and the recession in Mexican economy.

 Smile LatinPlane


User currently offlineDavid_mx From Mexico, joined Nov 1999, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 901 times:

My thoughts:

All rumours of buying new aircraft for mexican airlines were before 9/11 since that day everything changed.

I THINK VuelaMex is not going to the air. There are too many companies in competition for the domestic market and the CEO was the TAESA one, so he isn't liked in the business.

I THINK AM is not going to replace the DC9 with 737's but with pre-owned MD8X because of training, maintenance and other costs.

I THINK AM DC9 are going to be moved to Aerocaribe, which is already operating 15 series, and both are part of CINTRA.

I THINK AM is not going to have any 742 or 743 because they simply don't need it. For me AM having a 747 would be a bad mistake.

My question is: What will happen with the sale of CINTRA???? CINTRA MUST BE SOLD A.S.A.P. as separate companies. Because I also think that the pressure of not allowing VuelaMex to take off is caused by this monopoly.

David.





User currently offlineEduardo Lepe From Mexico, joined Feb 2002, 172 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 885 times:

Good night 2 everybody:

Well about the DC’s they probably will be move to AeroCalifornia and not to Aerocaribe, Mexicana was thinking to make Mexicana Express or Regional I don’t remember very well.
Well About AeroMéxico, I read that PROBABLY they would but B717 or B737. Both options are good, because the DC9 is for 89 seats, and the B717 is of 100 up to 120 seats, both aircraft are for regional flights, about the B747 I think the same way as you David, the don’t need it but they said that they are going to get one B747 from Alitalia, this is only a rumor, but AeroMéxico always wanted to get a B747.

About VuelaMex, is confirmed that they are going to fly on México, when I don’t know but that’s confirmed.

CINTRA’s problem is very big huge I would say. The big monopoly that is on México, is a problem for smaller airlines like Magnicharters, Allegro, AeroCalifornia, Aerolíneas Internacionales, Aviacsa etc.
But they have they own market and the sell earthen the would be closed.
One think is true CINTRA must be sold!!!.

Aerocarible (the regional airliner of Mexicana) is thinking also to get some of the AeroMéxico Dc9’s. Also AeroCalifornia and Aviacsa, (Aviacsa has DC9-15 and the planed to get DC9-30).

When Aerolíneas Aztecas wanted to open AeroMéxico and Mexicana, fight for them to Azteca’s don’t open, because of the same, they will be affected the prices of Azteca are lower than MXA and AMX. People started to fly on Azteca.

The same problem will be with VUELAMEX. But Mexican government approve the open.

Hope to solve some questions.  Smile
Luis Eduardo Lepe S.
Aviation Photography of México



Best Regards!!! Eduardo Lepe.
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5222 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 882 times:

Okie,

Here I go,

My thoughts are that VUELAMEX is going to start.. not soon but in a near future. Hope my words come true.

All Mexican Aviation in the last months .. all had been only rumors, but after some months later you´ll see them on the action.

Like Líneas Aéreas Azteca... the B737-300s arrive near
March... rumors started on February... and the 01 of June of 2001, when AM was on a strike they started their flights...


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On July the B737-700s where here!


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Mexicana is doing fine... soon excepect the flights to Europe with the B757´s all ready certificated with ETOPS for flights on route to MEX-HAV-FRA.

Also all their B727-200s


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Are being replaced for A319s... they just got here last month.. and this month last week I saw an A319 with Canada 3000 titles landing... and It went all the way to MX´s paint hangar.


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Aerolíneas Internacionales


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Are trying to make a better effort and improving their service on board.. also pretty soon the total 7, 727s flying will have different scheme´s and they will be trying to give another and good image to the airline.

Aeromexico soon I think their a doing a good job... with all their fleet of MD´s. Also I think they will be replacing DC9s with 2nd hand acft of MD87. Which I think is better than the DC9.


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Maybe DC9s from Aeromexico will be going to
Aerocalifornia... also soon the´ll start retireing all the series 14/15 on their fleet, just as Aerocaribe Did last year... and it brought 6 DC9-31 series.


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Also Aeromar, on next months ... the are getting 5, ATR42-500 for the replace of 3 ATR42-300. And soon the will be adding CRJ´s. Just waiting see them!!!

Allegro, is doing also good.. this year it add again the MD´s to their fleet.

All ready operating with 2 acft. the XA-TTC & XA-TSW.


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I heard N10033, XA-SWW, XA-SXJ all this acft from AM are going to be flying for Allegro soon.

Líneas Aereas Mesoamericans this also a new airline from Mex City


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According to jp.com information they wanted to start on FEB 02. So maybe we will see flying this new airline soon.

Rumors in Mexico in the last years.. you hear them soon.. but it take some time to make them come true.

This far, that´s all I know... but we have to wait a little bit... and I think 2002, it´s going to be a good year for Aviation in our country.

Regards,

Ricardo Morales  Smile APM



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User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2452 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 865 times:

Ghost77

You saw the third Airbus A319 for Mexicana N612MX that was going to be delivered to Canada 3000 but after the demise of the airline, Mexicana is getting them for a good price (leasing). So far MX has three and they are planning on ending the year with at least 10, so they can start retiring the B722's. The amount USD$$ they get from the B722 will be used to finance more A319's. So right now they are using the B722 to back up the leases, because Mexicana is not in a good financial situation. They just got a $100 million USD from Banco Inbursa to pay their current debt, but they back up the loan with the credit card payments (not good). Hope that Mexicana survives the crisis and the recesion. But still, the sell of CINTRA was postponed until 2003 and they will be flying for a while because our taxes will support them if something happends.

Rojo


User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2724 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 855 times:

Rojo:


Well, I don't agree that governments should be financing "national flag carriers" when the money could be better spent elsewhere like in social programs and building infra-structure to better the lively hood of it's citizens. Especially in a country like Mexico, where there are many things that need to be done. However, I'm quite positive about the way Cintra has managed it’s companies. The situation is not that great but yet it's something that all of the world's airlines are going thru at the moment. When compared to how much other airlines like Avianca, which lost around $200 million last year or Varig which owes around $900 million, you can see that things are in better shape at AeroMexico and Mexicana.

At the moment, the people running Cintra are not dependent on government subsidies to keep the airlines flying. The loan that has been received is probably on favorable terms and should help re-leave the airline from stress until times are more favorable, and those times will be when the U.S. economy starts growing again, which in turn will directly stimulate the Mexican economy. But who better than you to know about these things as you are the specialist in economics, while this is not my field of study.

In conclusion, I'd like to say that I'm a little confused about the sale of Cintra. These airlines have done extremely well under the leadership and the organization of Cintra. The airlines are not weak like most of the Latin American airlines. (except for Lan Chile & Taca) The airlines have grown steadily and healthy up until last year. However, the sale of Cintra will wait until at earliest middle or late 2003, or until the airlines show positive numbers in their income statements. They should be sold at a good profitable price and not at a bargain rate. However, once that is done the airlines should compete but stick together and help each other on their weaker points like they are currently doing.

 Smile LatinPlane


User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5222 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 846 times:

Rojo,

Yeap, right I just saw today N612MX "Santo Domingo" in service all ready!

Well I think that´s good news... MX replacing acft. with new planes like the A319.

Well maybe this is good in two ways of seeing it... Mexicana get more planes.. so it represents more seats on the Mex. Aviation. We know some B7272 will go to PFP (Policia Federal Preventiva / Preventive Federal Police) of México, this far I know 3 in 2002, and 2 on the finals of this year or maybe on the first months of 2003. So maybe some other airlines like Aviacsa can get some B727s... and Magnicharters again start operating the B727s.

For some cargo airlines like Aeisa, Estafeta and Aeromexpress, maybe they do the same thing and get some aircrafts.

Well, we just have to wait and see what happen with these changes of fleet and pax seats.

Ricardo  Smile APM



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