Deltaflyertoo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1653 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1362 times:
It is a huge possiblity. I am shocked they have not moved in already. Although a hub for US, the airport itself isn't exactly prone to delays like the others. US has a very defined bank presence, meaning there are times of day where no one is taking off or landing at PIT. SW could easily schedule its own bank in between these down times.
Don't rule out UAL. They would love to have PIT as would AA.
Scottb From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6766 posts, RR: 32
Reply 6, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1336 times:
It's certainly possible that Southwest (or AirTran) would start service at PIT in the event that US Airways were to fly off into aviation history; after all, they went into MDW almost overnight when Midway I failed and took advantage of AA closing its hub at BNA. I think it would take a few years to reach its potential (after all, there are limits to how fast you can grow), but given the stimulative effect of Southwest's low fares, I could certainly see them operating 80-100 flights at PIT after several years. I'd add IND, MSY, AUS, SAT, LAX, ONT, OAK, and SEA to the possibilities. (HOU is a longshot since CO operates PIT-IAH).
I'm not sure UAL wants PIT when they already have IAD; I'm not sure PIT works well with an AA hub at JFK, either.
Thomacf From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 542 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1276 times:
CO would be stupid to move to PIT. They would be giving up a much larger O&D aiport and would be moving to a much smaller populated metro area. CO has also put alot of money into CLE especially with the new concourse D. Cleveland has messed up alot when it comes to the airport and CO, but this new mayor has a better understanding of the importance of CO and the airport. I don't expect CO to move there. I predict SW does the same thing in PIT that they did at BNA when AA moved out. Remember though, no one knows if US is going to go under in the future.
DCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4506 posts, RR: 33
Reply 14, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1214 times:
Thomas, it's pretty certain that US Airways is going under. Their CSM's are stratospheric, even compared to the other 5 Cartel carriers, and the low-fares are eating their lunch. Plus their unions are in no mood to make work-rule or cost concessions. And management wasted a year of potential repositioning by chasing after ultimately-unwilling sugar daddy UA.
After US goes under, I'd bet WN will be there before they get the last US plane shipped off to Marana. PIT people are so used to sky-high fares on US (heck, they couldn't even bring themselves to flee to AirTran's excellent service and low fares to PHL and LGA), that the trauma of losing US will shake them out of their hypnosis. WN will clean up in PIT. No other Cartel carrier is going to start a hub there because PIT doesn't fit their plans and doesn't offer enough international traffic potential (except possibly CO, see below).
I'd look also for PIT-BUF and PIT-ALB routes; US now has the only nonstops to Upstate NY. Also maybe AirTran would introduce ROC-PIT. Speaking of which, look too for AirTran to re-establish a focus city there once US is gone. There are lots of cities out there that WN doesn't serve--like PHL and LGA. This time maybe Pittsburgh business people, and their corporate travel departments, will be receptive to lower-fare service on these routes.
I still wouldn't rule out CO moving from CLE. PIT is a vastly superior airport facility, and CLE with its allegedly larger O & D base can only support one 752 to LGW. PIT has been supporting 762's, and before Sept. 11, A330, on the route. Plus 762's to CDG and FRA.
In which case, WN would still move in, but I don't think they, AirTran, or anyone else, would grow nearly as rapidly or extensively.
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Usairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3404 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1197 times:
but in the news i saw usairways sounded a little hesitant that they might not start by may. they added that it would start back up by may at the earliest. regardless it will probably be back by the end of the summer.
Afitch7881 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 816 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1191 times:
Do you really think CO needs a thrid International gateway that bad? EWR has many European flights and IAH isnt far behind. I know the CLE situation is pretty bad with all the problems getting a new runway, but once the runway is put in at least CLE could be a viable third option if needed that bad. I dont see CLE really getting that many international flights anyways, maybe CO could shift all the smaller flights to CLE like Dublin, Shannon, Birmingham ect..... But I still believe CO has put too much into CLE to just back out right now. It is a all jet hub, not many other cities can claim that.