Iainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1649 times:
^^ It is not that big of deal to where HQ has to know. If you friend gets these pilots in trouble, QR management (and your friend) are the meanest s-o-b I have ever heard of.
Any pilot who got down safely last week in the UK, did a fine job. Considering roofs where being blown of houses, getting any plane down is a challegne.
G-CIVP From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1611 times:
"I just talked to a friend in Qatar Airways and he said he never heard of it, he told me to print out the picture and he'll give it to HQ. Probably the pilot was to embarrased to tell HQ and so kept it hushed, do pilots have to report about their landings or can they keep it quiet?"
What of load of old tosh. The pilot probably made the proper corrections and landed safely. The weather was awful in the UK last week, and the cross winds at LHR, as Iainhol states, was awful, so much so, runway 23 was used.
Iainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1404 times:
^^ Management would never congratulate a pilot. I still think it is pretty dick even putting this infront of management. Considering there was no news on it, they must have got down safely therefore there is no need for management to know.
I guess this supports my idea of investing medical student (pay for their schooling for a chunk on their salary later on in) that study proctology, as this proves how many assholes are out there.
FrequentFlyKid From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1169 times:
I think he meant film as in still photography; not motion picture. As far as the discussion going on. Hmm...I don't know enough about that aspect of commercial aviation to comment on what SHOULD happen. However, if the pilot made an error in judgement that could have endangered the safety of the passengers, crew, and themselves wouldn't we want them to receive a review (for lack of the proper terminology) so they can become better pilots. Not to get them into trouble, but solely to help them out. As for the arguement that he is a great pilot because he safely landed in that crosswind: you are correct, but should he have attempted the landing?
NZ767 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1145 times:
I'm sure the flight data recorders can tell management about that landing so there's no need for anyone here to go sticking their noses in.
Christ, all this talk recently about security scaring away spotters from major airports..........what do you think might happen if spotters got on the phone to company HQ every time they saw what they considered to be a bad landing?
That's right! The aircrews themselves will start demanding that you keep away from your favourite spotting areas for fear of being "narked" on.
"Hello!! Think about it!!
Mandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 7000 posts, RR: 78
Reply 14, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1082 times:
What a shot ! Look carefully and it shows the pilot sliding it towards the runway (left bank, right rudder applied). The only time I know someone did this was a Flying Tigers Pilot landing hisDC8 in Nigeria in a sandstorm and low on fuel!
When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
VirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4579 posts, RR: 40
Reply 15, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1028 times:
FrequentFlyKid - I think LGW was pointing out the fact that Gary uses a digital camera (which of course don't have film, per se). As for the landing, they say that a good laniding is one you can walk away from, and an excellent landing is one that you can use the aircraft again afterwards, and I haven't heard about Qatar writing off any aircraft, so lets leave it at that.
"So powerful is the light of unity that it can illuminate the whole earth." - Bahá'u'lláh
Wing From Turkey, joined Oct 2000, 1576 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 944 times:
"As for the arguement that he is a great pilot because he safely landed in that crosswind: you are correct, but should he have attempted the landing?"
Before landing -or even making the approach-to destination airport pilots make some decisions way before starting to descent.On the way and before descent we take the latest weather conditions and decide if we and our plane are in limits of that particular weather phenomena.For example if low visibility conditions are reported if the pilots,airplane and the airport are capable of making a cat II or cat III aproach,or should we divert to alternate?There are a lot of things to consider.So if that day the reported crosswind is within the demonstrated crosswind capability of the aircraft there is nothing wrong to make the approach.And final approach is a very critical phase of the flight where you have to decide and execute very fast and correctly and there is very little time to recover from mistakes pilots puts the passenger comfort to one side and focus on landing the airplane safely in those kind of challing weathers.In my opinion theres nothing wrong with this approach because one wing down into the wind landing is a crosswind landing technique and this is only one moment from all that landing sequence,appearently the corrective maneuvers are done and plane landed safely.
Another issue on this thread is whether sending the photo to HQ or not.There are many assesments that an airline pilot has to compleate like simulators,line checks,annual reviews,ground schools.The menagers are very capable of knowing and they keep files about each pilot and know which pilots are capable or not by the reports filed during those assesments.The pilot who lacks in any areas are retrained and becomes ready again before a multimillion dollar airplane and hundreds of lives are handed to him again.Airline menagers doesn't accuse pilots or make any decisions according to 13 year old children.Appearently in his little world he thinks that he accomplished something,let him keep thinking like that because neither I have time to explain to him or he has the maturity to understand.
VonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4640 posts, RR: 36
Reply 19, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 928 times:
I have a similar shot of a United 747-400. Normally they don't come to YYC but this one had 2 passengers with food poisoning. The weather was good but the pilots were unfamiliar with the airport (as I heard on my scanner) so they had a pretty crazy approach. After they landed the pilot thanked ATC and said "I haven't been here for at least 10 years"