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717s Hot And High Performance

ILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8
Posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1084 times:

Hello,

Could any of the 717 experts tell me about how the 717 handles in hot and high airports? Is it a good performer or a poorer performer? Would it have to fly out with weight restrictions?

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ILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 976 times:

Anyone?

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Teahan From Belgium, joined Nov 1999, 5266 posts, RR: 63
Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 927 times:

Hello,

I heard it was prettty good for hot & high performance, Flight International had an article sometime last year that it was being looked at for London City. Any aircraft even being looked at for London City, must have a pretty reasonable hot & high performance.

Jeremiah

Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004

Bobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6032 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 909 times:

I wouldn't think that London City Airport would be either "Hot" or "High".

Teahan From Belgium, joined Nov 1999, 5266 posts, RR: 63
Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 901 times:

Bobnwa,

LCY is not hot or high, however the angle of approach is double the one at any other airport and the runway is only 1200m. That has to say something about how it would perform at a hot and high airport, right?

Jeremiah

Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004

Artsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4741 posts, RR: 42
Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 884 times:

As far as the HOT part the aircraft is fine, it is used almost exclusivly by Hawaiian for their Island jumping service and I would say that Hawaii satisfies the criteria of the HOT. As for the High part, I am not sure as you dont get much above FL24 on those flights

Jer

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Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 872 times:

Artsyman
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As far as the HOT part the aircraft is fine, it is used almost exclusivly by Hawaiian for their Island jumping service and I would say that Hawaii satisfies the criteria of the HOT. As for the High part, I am not sure as you dont get much above FL24 on those flights

I think that by High ILUV767 meant airports at high altitudes where the air is thinner and so it is more difficult for the aircraft to take off.

Bobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6032 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 859 times:

Teahan,
High and hot is altogether a different problem than a short runway. At airports that are high or hot the aircraft does not develop as much power for takeoff.

Artsyman,

Honolulu does not have very hot temperatures at all. It is usually vry temperate there. Also the high referred to is the height above sea level of the airport, not the enroute altitude.

Artsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4741 posts, RR: 42
Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 836 times:

Bobnwa wrote...Honolulu does not have very hot temperatures at all

LOL try saying that to us brits with our blue skinned bodies.....

thanks for clearing up the altitude mistake

Jer

ILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 832 times:

Let me clarify on what I ment by hot and high airports...

Some examples would be:
-Denver
-Mexico City
-Caracas (spelling?)
-Las Vegas
-Phoenix

and so on.

For example, the 757 is an excellent hot and high performer making it an excellent choice into places like Mexico City. Same thing with the 737NG. The A320 mainly with IAE engines is not a goood hot and high performer and can run into restrictions when operating out of all of the airports listed above.

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Rojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2397 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 798 times:

VuelaMex (if it ever starts operating) choose the B717 to start flights from Mexico City. If they ever get here, we would see how good they perform in high airports. I know that Boeing told every Mexican airline in the Acapulco Air Show that the B717 is a very good performer in hot and high altitudes. AeroMexico has been considering the airplane to replace the DC9's, but they don't have the money to get them. VuelaMex has three in its color scheme but they still don't have the operating certificate.

As a matter of fact, for Mexico City's hot and high altitude AeroMexico and Mexicana had a special version of the DC10 that had a better performance in Mexico City (they had to make a stop on flights to europe).

Rojo

EIPremier From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1533 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 732 times:

I've heard from several pilots that MD-80s are better hot and high performers than 737 classics (specifically, 734s). I would imagine the 717 characteristics to be somewhat similar, although I don't have any specific information.

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