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717s Hot And High Performance  
User currently offlineILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8
Posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1500 times:

Hello,

Could any of the 717 experts tell me about how the 717 handles in hot and high airports? Is it a good performer or a poorer performer? Would it have to fly out with weight restrictions?

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User currently offlineILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1392 times:

Anyone?

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User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5301 posts, RR: 61
Reply 2, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1343 times:

Hello,

I heard it was prettty good for hot & high performance, Flight International had an article sometime last year that it was being looked at for London City. Any aircraft even being looked at for London City, must have a pretty reasonable hot & high performance.

Jeremiah



Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6493 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1325 times:

I wouldn't think that London City Airport would be either "Hot" or "High".

User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5301 posts, RR: 61
Reply 4, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1317 times:

Bobnwa,

LCY is not hot or high, however the angle of approach is double the one at any other airport and the runway is only 1200m. That has to say something about how it would perform at a hot and high airport, right?

Jeremiah




Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1300 times:

As far as the HOT part the aircraft is fine, it is used almost exclusivly by Hawaiian for their Island jumping service and I would say that Hawaii satisfies the criteria of the HOT. As for the High part, I am not sure as you dont get much above FL24 on those flights

Jer


User currently offlineQatar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1288 times:

Artsyman
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As far as the HOT part the aircraft is fine, it is used almost exclusivly by Hawaiian for their Island jumping service and I would say that Hawaii satisfies the criteria of the HOT. As for the High part, I am not sure as you dont get much above FL24 on those flights

I think that by High ILUV767 meant airports at high altitudes where the air is thinner and so it is more difficult for the aircraft to take off.


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6493 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1275 times:

Teahan,
High and hot is altogether a different problem than a short runway. At airports that are high or hot the aircraft does not develop as much power for takeoff.

Artsyman,

Honolulu does not have very hot temperatures at all. It is usually vry temperate there. Also the high referred to is the height above sea level of the airport, not the enroute altitude.


User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1252 times:

Bobnwa wrote...Honolulu does not have very hot temperatures at all

LOL try saying that to us brits with our blue skinned bodies.....

thanks for clearing up the altitude mistake

Jer


User currently offlineILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1248 times:

Let me clarify on what I ment by hot and high airports...

Some examples would be:
-Denver
-Mexico City
-Caracas (spelling?)
-Las Vegas
-Phoenix

and so on.

For example, the 757 is an excellent hot and high performer making it an excellent choice into places like Mexico City. Same thing with the 737NG. The A320 mainly with IAE engines is not a goood hot and high performer and can run into restrictions when operating out of all of the airports listed above.

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User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2466 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1214 times:

VuelaMex (if it ever starts operating) choose the B717 to start flights from Mexico City. If they ever get here, we would see how good they perform in high airports. I know that Boeing told every Mexican airline in the Acapulco Air Show that the B717 is a very good performer in hot and high altitudes. AeroMexico has been considering the airplane to replace the DC9's, but they don't have the money to get them. VuelaMex has three in its color scheme but they still don't have the operating certificate.

As a matter of fact, for Mexico City's hot and high altitude AeroMexico and Mexicana had a special version of the DC10 that had a better performance in Mexico City (they had to make a stop on flights to europe).

Rojo


User currently offlineEIPremier From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1549 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1148 times:

I've heard from several pilots that MD-80s are better hot and high performers than 737 classics (specifically, 734s). I would imagine the 717 characteristics to be somewhat similar, although I don't have any specific information.

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