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How Is DL BOS-LGW Doing?  
User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4116 posts, RR: 2
Posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2161 times:

Now that Delta has Boston-London/Gatwick to themselves, how are they doing on the run? I am hearing that they're not doing that well, but to me that's a function more of the environment and time of year more than anything else. I guess a clue would be whether they stick with a 767-300 through the peak summer season, or bump up capacity to a 777 or MD-11 (neither of which I see happening, unless it's a well-kept secret by DL).

It does seem, despite attempts to sway the flying public, that people continue to prefer Heathrow over Gatwick. Virgin made the hop quite willingly on the BOS run, and boosted capacity from a 747-200 to a 747-400 in the process. I'm hoping Delta does well, because this is their first transatlantic run out of Boston...one of a series of routes they have planned out of here. My sense is that if you can't make Boston-London work (LGW or LHR), then the other routes would seem to be in question...independent of the competition incumbent on the route. The one route I could see a good return on is Boston-Dublin. Aer Lingus has had this to themselves since the world was flat, and all the times I've been on those A330s (four times now, and always in the low season), the planes have been full or nearly so.

Chris in New Hampshire

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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7152 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2088 times:

I just came back from BOS with DL, and the loads were pretty light.

LGW-BOS 2nd Feb,
80 in econ 22 in Biz Elite.

BOS - LGW 9th Feb
55 in economy, 5 revenue passengers in Biz Elite.

The onboard service in Biz-elite service was excellent, with superb cabin crew both ways.

From BOS we flew to MCO with Delta Express, and also, the service was excellent (for low cost), and the cabin crew really cared. on the 2nd, 90% full, on the 8th, 15 seats available.



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User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2079 times:

They are not doing too well to say the least.

User currently offlineFrostbite From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 396 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2019 times:

I expect this route to be axed in the very near future. DL's idea of establishing a transatlantic network out of BOS seemed a little half-baked to begin with....especially beginning with a route to LGW, when the (heavy) competition operates into LHR. Yields have apparently fallen way short of expectations (ie the BizElite numbers Best Western posted) and DL is having a hard time getting even a 50% load factor on 763s with bargain-basement fares.
Sure, it's the off season, and of course 9/11 threw a 100-pound monkey wrench in the works, but I just don't see why DL would want to continue down this path.
It seems like the logical thing, and the thing they've tended towards for years, is to put that intl. 763 back through a hub city. For example, there is a long list of JFK/ATL-Europe routes which have been suspended in recent times (pre- and post-9/11) which would probably work better than BOS-LGW.

Just my two cents....then again BOS has historically been a high-yield market so DL might be willing to ride out this period in hopes of getting a bigger slice of the pie when times get good again.


User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1995 times:

I say move the flight to FLL.


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User currently offlinePadcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1980 times:

Nothing but Y inventory this Thur-Sun. That means it's oversold. Does not operate on Tuesdays. J is full on these dates as well.

User currently offline2cn From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 648 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1979 times:

Wasnt the flight going out with higher loads before 9/11? Or was who ever posted that here on these boards in a past topic on this flight wrong?

User currently offlineDelta15 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 617 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1970 times:

yes, pre 9-11 the flight was doing incredibly well.

User currently offlineAfitch7881 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 816 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1966 times:

Send that 767 on a BDL-BOS-LGW and LGW-BOS-BDL route to maximize potential!!!!!

Eastern and Pan Am did it before!

 Smile


Eric


User currently offlineExusair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 684 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1921 times:

Great...Let's follow the routings of 2 failed airlines!

The a/c for the BOS flights actually started in LAX.

There is a strategy in place for BOS in the DL system. There is a toss up between US, DL and AA for dominance in BOS. It is a high yield city and supports a broad range of products offered by DL. It is the only station in the DL system to offer all DL products (DL Express, Connection, Shuttle, Mainline and Int'l service [BusinessElite]).

BOS will never be as big for o/d int'l traffic as JFK, it is important for DL to diversify its int'l offerings other than hub and JFK traffic.


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3404 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1909 times:

what if the route was:
iad-bos-lgw
phl-bos-lgw
jfk-bos-lgw
ewr-bos-lgw
would any of these routes increase the # of passengers?


User currently offlineHaveric From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1247 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1908 times:

All of those cities already have multiple carrier supporting non-stop service to LGW and/or LHR. I don't see why passengers would want to stop in Boston on their way...

Eric


User currently offlineNonrevman From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1900 times:

Delta is continuing with the construction of thier terminal in BOS. The JFK expansion is "on hold". I think Delta is not in a big hurry to cut the service out of BOS.

User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6608 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1853 times:

Even though BOS-LGW is currently a loser, I think DL will hold on to it. They are trying to build up their presence in BOS and they need an int'l presence in order to really achieve that. DL has been slowly increasing the feed into BOS...Halifax will be added in May. Also, DL has the route authority to fly CDG-BOS, but they have delayed it for now.

Next, I think DL should add routes like ALB-BOS, SYR-BOS and really stick it to USAirways. DL has RJ's and US still flies props on these routes. Plus, DL can offer more int'l connections...LGW on DL metal and codeshares to MXP and CDG.


User currently offlineScottb From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6764 posts, RR: 32
Reply 14, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1843 times:

I'd imagine that BOS-LGW is oversold this coming weekend because the winter school vacation week in Massachusetts is next week. It's a great time to take your kids for a week in England if you're so inclined.

User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1840 times:

However,yield is the key.

User currently offlinePadcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1815 times:

No doubt, it's no a pot of gold.

I wonder how UA is fairing? They're hard pressed in BOS.
Plenty of inventory available on the dates DL is oversold.


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7152 posts, RR: 57
Reply 17, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1794 times:

Delta have pulled back from daily to x5 weekly for February, but planning a daily rotation from March. It is loaded for the summer season as a daily 767-300ER.

I know that last summer DL were planning either a CDG - BOS - SEA or a DUB - BOS - SFO to compliment their BOS - LAX biz elite service.

There are no direct BOS-SEA or CDG-SEA services.

As Delta has a far stronger hub in JFK, I am wondering why they dont operate the route to JFK instead. LGW has now no JFK service.

From a personal point of view... As someone with gazillions of Skymiles to use up, the BOS service is excellent, as there is always availability in Biz Elite.

One big pain is BOS airport. LGW - BOS arrives in Terminal E (think dump), and the onward flights depart Terminal C or A (DL shuttle).



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