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User currently offlineWidebody From Ireland, joined Aug 2000, 1152 posts, RR: 8
Posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2284 times:

Iranian Passenger Jet Crash

An Iranian passenger plane has crashed near the western city of Khorramabad.

Iranian airlines have been dogged by accidents in recent years.

Subject to US sanctions, the country has had difficulty obtaining spare parts for its ageing fleet of aircraft.

Last May a plane carrying 30 people, including the transport minister and seven parliamentarians, crashed near the northern town of Sari, killing all on board.

More follows...

sky.com

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User currently offlineBarcode From Switzerland, joined Dec 2001, 678 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2031 times:

http://www.skynews.co.uk/skynews/article/0,,30000-1043780,00.html

User currently offlineWasilenko From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1972 times:

Oh, no! It is a Tu-154 again!!!!!



Iranian Airtours at least 100 people are dead!


User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3225 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1946 times:

Please! Not another crash - this is getting too much to take! My condolences to all who lost loved ones in the crash. May they all rest in peace. I have not heard anything else about it but I will check it out.

Trintocan.



Hop to it, fly for life!
User currently offlineWidebody From Ireland, joined Aug 2000, 1152 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1925 times:

Latest....

Iranian Passenger Jet Crash

An Iranian passenger plane carrying almost 150 people has crashed near the western city of Khorramabad but there is no immediate news of casualties.

It belonged to Iran Air Tours - part of state carrier Iran Air.

The plane, a Russian-built Tupolev-154, was carrying a full complement of 148 passengers, according to officials.

Disappeared from radar

It was flying from Tehran to Khorramabad, near the Zagros mountains, but disappeared from radar screens south west of the city.

Iranian airlines have been dogged by accidents in recent years.

Iran is subject to US sanctions and has had difficulty obtaining spare parts for its ageing fleet of Boeing aircraft.

In recent years it has had to turn to leasing planes from former Soviet countries.

Sanctions

The sanctions bar the sale of Boeing airliners to Iran and hinder the acquisition of other aircraft, many of which rely on US-built engines and other components.

Last May a Russian-built Yakovlev-40 plane carrying 30 people, including the transport minister and seven parliamentarians, crashed near the northern town of Sari, killing all on board.

Iranian MPs called for tighter aircraft safety measures following that tragedy.

www.sky.com/skynews......


User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3225 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1883 times:

Those sanctions are really beginning to bite Iran's civil aviation industry. Iran Air has done a relatively good job in keeping those elderly Boeings and Airbuses alive despite the US sanctions (sometimes misquoted as UN sanctions) but the time has come for a revamping of the fleet. Iran Air has just taken some Turkish A310-200s and are considering some of their 300s as well but new planes, which they really wish to purchase, cannot be sourced from the West due to the sanctions.

Unfortunately, this is where politics is wreaking havoc with air safety.

Trintocan.



Hop to it, fly for life!
User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24906 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1878 times:

 Sad


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineTurin_airport From Italy, joined Oct 2001, 278 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1878 times:

The exact number of pax onboard should have been 105.

My thoughts go to their families and beloveds...

T_a


User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1828 times:

it must have been this flight:

THR-KHD
B9 956
0700-0810 local (Iran is GMT - 3.5 hours)

The type of plane indicated in the OAG is a Yak 42, though.

Daniel


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1815 times:

Excuse me.....but explain to me why the US embargo would have any effect on the safety of this TU-154.

Last time I checked there wasn't any US built parts in one of those things.

I know you guys aren't suggesting that Russian built aircraft aren't safe because that isn't true either.

The fact is that the US embargo against Iran has squat to do with the loss of this aircraft.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineTca256 From Belgium, joined Dec 1999, 729 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1788 times:

Trintocan,

I don't know if Iran Air has Airbus aircrafts but if it does,
that is not really a problem as the EU doesn't have
a commercial embargo against this country and thus
the company can easily pay spares and maintenance!
Moreover, the aircraft crashed was russian made so it's
probably not something linked to international politics
even if I totally disagree with the US embargo....By the
way, do you know that since 1979 and the fall of the
Iranian Emperor, they are still able to fly their Tomcats
and other US made military aircrafts ??? I'm just amazed
how they can without spares  Big grin

Anyway, all my sympathy for the families and relatives!

best wishes,


User currently offlineWirraway From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1766 times:

ABC News Net:

Iranian plane crashes with 160 people aboard

An Iranian Tupolev airliner has crashed near Khorramabad in south-west Iran with 160 passengers and crew aboard.

"There is little chance of there being any survivors," an official said, adding that the Iran Air Tours plane had come down in mountainous terrain, which was very difficult to reach.

He said there was a violent explosion when the plane crashed and rescue services had been dispatched to the scene by helicopter and other means.

An official at the governor's office earlier said that the aircraft had crashed shortly after taking off on an internal flight from Khorramabad to Tehran, but the state news agency IRNA said it was arriving from the capital.

Iran Air Tours is a subsidiary of state airline Iran Air.

On February 8, 1993 a Tupolev 154 of the company collided with an Iranian air force fighter on taking off from Tehran airport, killing all 131 aboard.



User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1722 times:

Tca256,

How many of those F-14s are still flying? Maybe one or two - most were stripped for parts years ago.

My condolences to the families - most of which surely have nothing to do with the asswipes in the clergy that run the place, and had the sanctions imposed by their own foolishness, which they continue to this day.

Charles


User currently offlineTca256 From Belgium, joined Dec 1999, 729 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1648 times:

Hi Charles,

Well, I've checked some pictures dated from two or
three years ago showing active F14's and gunship
Cobra's....I may be half wrong as it's true they probably
needed to strip most of their fleets in order to have spares! sure!  Big grin You got half of the point...  Big grin


User currently offlineKHI747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1597 times:

Sad sad news...it really is. May they rest in peace

User currently offlineFly-K From Germany, joined May 2000, 3149 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1528 times:
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Registration was EP-MBS, the aircraft only joined the fleet in January...

Konstantin



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User currently offlineHerbman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1506 times:

Yes dudes, it was a TU-154 with 148 pax from "Iran Air Tours" on the way from Teheran to Chorramabad. The news are talking about old aircrafts but the US embargo is making it very difficult for Iran Air to hold all planes on a safty standard. That means only old and not original aircraft parts for the planes. That is sad!
Regards

Sebastian


User currently offlineGo Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1501 times:

What a surprise Iran air has a crash and the incompetance is transferred to the us government, prehaps iran wasnt a sponsor of terrorism then they wopuldnt have sanctions, of course some peoples brains cant comprehend that iran isnt a saint.

another dreadful air disaster, how many people were actually on this plane, the figures changes a bit, never mind, thats irrelavant and so is blaming the usa, over a hundred have died and my thoughts are with them.



It is amazing what can be accomplised when nobody takes the credit
User currently offlineChrisKSDF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1481 times:

"How about leaving them alone and not telling them how to live their life? It seems these sanctions were not able to accomplish anything but suffering for the ordinary people in the last 20 years."

We'll let them live their lives as they want when they allow us to live our lives without the fear that their government is building weapons of mass destruction for the sole purpose of aiming them at us. We'll let them live their lives when they get a Government in power that does not support international terrorism. We'll let them live their lives when they get a Government in power that does not take innocent Americans hostage for 444 days. And we'll let them live their lives when they stop sending boatloads of weapons/supplies to another terrorist, Arafat, so he can give them to his buddies who will then use them to blow up innocent people in Temples, buses, wedding halls, and beach parties.

By the way, it's interesting to see how many immediately jump on the bandwagon that this accident must have been caused by a defective part, which couldn't be replaced due to the embargo.

Information coming from my sources in Iran says that this aircraft was on approach in piss poor weather (near blizzard conditions), and all indications at the moment point to another instance of Controlled Flight into Terrain. Hardly something that ending any embargo could've avoided.


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1464 times:

And, pray tell, what weapons of mass destruction are the Iranians conjuring up, other than those conjured up in the whimsical fantasia of the Bush speech? Yes, the right wing mullahs are a bunch of cretins who should be booted out of power, but we do business with the worst bunch of right wing cretins around, i.e., the Saudi government, which has no worse a human rights record than any of the loony Iranian mullahs. As far as the Teheran-Arafat connection is concerned, its all hearsay, and besides Arafat isn't even responsible for the bombings in Israel. You may mean Hamas, but again a direct Teheran-Hamas connection is just conjecture. The Bush speech was aimed more at internal Iranian politics, specifically to criticize the far-right crackdowns that the mullahs are engaging in against their more liberal opposition. In the last few years, Washington has been hoping for a more liberal government in Teheran, and the recent events in Iran indicated that liberalization attempts are being curtailed by the mullahs in the worst possible way.

That having been said, if Iran Air can't buy modern American jets, then criticize the mullahs, not the US. The US can choose who to sell aircraft to. If Washington believes that an embargo is the way to go, so be it. The Mullahs can't have their cake and eat it too. Advocating a return to the middle ages while insisting that we sell them modern Boeing jets is hypocrisy at its worst.


User currently offlineMagyar From Hungary, joined Feb 2000, 599 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1461 times:

While I am not going into details and discuss your other
``points'' I would like to ask one question about you most
hypocritical one:

>>
We'll let them live their lives as they want when they allow us to live our lives without the fear that their government is building weapons of mass destruction for the sole purpose of aiming them at us.
<<

The US has thousands of nuclear warheads that could be used
against anyone on the Earth in short notice. Futhermore, Israel
has her own inventory of nuclear weapons and I bet Iran is
high on their target list. Why you and Isreal have more right
than Iran to do this?

Janos


User currently offlineChrisKSDF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1450 times:

"The US has thousands of nuclear warheads that could be used against anyone on the Earth in short notice. Futhermore, Israel has her own inventory of nuclear weapons and I bet Iran is high on their target list. Why you and Isreal have more right than Iran to do this?"

Simple.

Unlike Iran, the United States and Israel are stable nations. The United States is not likely to ever fire one of our nuclear weapons, let alone fire any of them completely unprovoked. Our nuclear weapons are also highly unlikely to fall into terrorist hands, which cannot be said about Iran.

Here's the caveat.

Iran has to do what's in its best interest, just as we do here in the U.S. Iran is producing nuclear weapons for the express intent of aiming them at our country and allies, or giving/selling them to those who will. It is only prudent, and in fact would be stupid of us not, to stop them if we have the ability. And we do. That is in OUR best interest.

I do not wish to hijack this thread any further. After all, at least 118 innocent Iranians - who probably had nothing at all to do with the Tyrranical leadership there - died today. May they rest in peace.


User currently offlineSterne82 From Belgium, joined May 2000, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1424 times:

"Israel is a stable nation..."

LET ME LAUGH!!!! I don't wanna put politics on this forum, but too much is too much... Have you ever read or watch a newspapers or evening news?

And tell me how many times they spoke about Israël and Palestinian people? Do not tell me that you call such situation stable???? Or maybe we didn't use the same dictionnary...  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Regards,

Benjamin


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8051 posts, RR: 54
Reply 23, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1409 times:

I must agree that calling a theocracy which is engaged in a colonial war of expansion such as Israel "stable" is a bizarre act of denial at best.


fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
User currently offlineChrisKSDF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1411 times:

Let me clarify.

Israel is a stable nation in that it won't start firing nuclear weapons at countries it "doesn't like" for no apparent reason. It has also demonstrated that it will not give/sell such weapons to international terrorist organizations.

Lastly, even if they wanted to do all of the above, they never would - because they would lose every bit of international support they have, including that from the United States and Britain.


25 Fanofjets : To get back to the original topic, and beyond the distasteful politics, a tragic crash has occurred. May the passengers and crew rest in peace. Daniel
26 Magyar : >> ``points'' I would like to ask one question about you most hypocritical one:
27 Go Canada! : nor is it the right thread to say that people hate israel, what is wrong with you people-not a day can go past without you blmaing israel and america
28 Post contains images Qatar : If there's one thing that spoils this forum, it's politics. I sure do hope that the forum administrators delete as much of the politics as possible an
29 Twaneedsnohelp : whats with all this anti-Israel crap?? Israel is by far the most stable nation in the middle east and even central asia. It has never engaged in civil
30 Twaneedsnohelp : i also whish to express my sorrow for those 150 lost souls and hope that perhaps something as tragic as this will convey to the iranian leaders how im
31 OD-BWH : ChrisKSDF, Go Canada: I don't blame you for your naive thoughts... It's a one sided trial. Boeing in PDX: Try to be NEUTRAL (that's why l love switzer
32 Go Canada! : i am naive? i have a history degree..how can i be naive when i have studided the middle east? surely my friend you are naive, iran isnt an angel..i su
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