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Ryanair Wins Victory Over Lufthansa  
User currently offlineAirblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1825 posts, RR: 11
Posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1938 times:

February 11th, 2002:



RYANAIR WINS VICTORY OVER LUFTHANSA
Ryanair, Europe’s largest low fares airline today scored a major victory over Lufthansa. During the course of Ryanair’s appeal of an injunction obtained by Lufthansa to prevent Ryanair calling Frankfurt-Hahn Airport by its legal name, i.e., Frankfurt-Hahn, Lufthansa has given an undertaking to the court that it would not seek to enforce the Frankfurt-Hahn injunction until the court has heard the substantive case, which has been scheduled for 19th March.

Clearly it is highly unusual for Lufthansa to confirm that they would not seek to enforce an injunction which they had already obtained. Lufthansa originally failed to receive an injunction from the lower court in Cologne but appealed this decision to the court of appeals. However, Lufthansa did not inform the appeals court that Frankfurt-Hahn is the legal name of the Airport. The fact that Lufthansa have confirmed that they will not seek to enforce this injunction highlights just how ridiculous Lufthansa’s original injunction application was.

This means that Ryanair is free to continue to refer to the legal name of Frankfurt-Hahn Airport in all of its advertising in Germany, and Ryanair today confirmed that it would do so. The management of Frankfurt-Hahn Airport also expressed their support for Ryanair’s action in this matter, and will be supporting Ryanair’s appeal to have the Lufthansa injunction thrown out on 19th March next.

Welcoming this climb down by Lufthansa, Ryanair’s Chief Executive, Michael O’Leary said;

“It was ridiculous of Lufthansa to attempt to prevent either Ryanair or Frankfurt-Hahn Airport from using the legal name of the airport. Nevertheless the original injunction shows just how desperate Lufthansa are to prevent Ryanair offering competition and choice in the German market.

“Neither Ryanair nor Frankfurt-Hahn Airport will allow Lufthansa to prevent the spread of competition, choice and lower fares in the German market. Both Ryanair and Frankfurt-Hahn Airport are confident that the courts will overturn Lufthansa’s original injunction when the case is heard on the 19th March next, and this retreat by Lufthansa represents the first victory by Ryanair in the process of appealing a number of ridiculous injunctions which Lufthansa have sought to obtain in the German courts, all of them on an ex parte basis without any notice to either Ryanair or Frankfurt-Hahn Airport.

“The good news is that these legal actions by Lufthansa have failed to prevent thousands of German people booking on Ryanair’s low fare services which start from Frankfurt-Hahn on the 14th February next. Advance bookings for the month of February are already running in excess of 50%, and if the bookings continue to grow at this rate then Ryanair will enjoy a load factor as high as 70% for the month of February on its routes to/from Frankfurt-Hahn Airport. The era of Lufthansa’s high fare stranglehold in the German market is over. This is a great day for German consumers, and for Frankfurt-Hahn Airport, which is now free to use its legal name.






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User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3997 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1790 times:

I guess this is a Ryanair press release ? If so, it is, as usual, a bit misleading on Ryanair's side. It is not at all that unusual that a party does not enforce a court injunction obtained as this party runs the risk of being liable for damages in case that the injunction is not confirmed by the court at a later hearing.

I assume the reason why Ryanair is making such a bally-hoo about this detail is that they are a bit afraid about the outcome of a separate court case which was - as a matter of coincidence - scheduled for decision today - it is about comparative advertising. In this separate case, Lufthansa was successful . According to the court ruling, Ryanair must not compare its fares to places like Shannon or Bournemouth with fares to places like Southampton where Lufthansa doesn't fly to, but only offers connecting services with other airlines.

Coincidence ?


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7123 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1741 times:

Thats FR for ya!


The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlineA320FO From Austria, joined Oct 2000, 211 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1749 times:

Well, here's the other part of the court ruling. As it was mostly lost by Ryanair, it won't show up in their propaganda... sorry, homepage.
German only.
Köln - Im Streit zwischen Lufthansa und Ryanair um vergleichende Werbung hat die deutsche Fluglinie einen Teilerfolg erzielt. Ryanair darf nach einem Urteil des Landgerichts Köln vom Dienstag mehrere Flugreisen nicht mehr mit Angeboten der Lufthansa vergleichen. Die Kammer bestätigte damit Teile einer zuvor auf Antrag der Lufthansa erlassenen einstweiligen Verfügung. Ryanair konnte sich in einem anderen Punkt durchsetzen. Die Iren dürfen mit Flugpreisen werben, in denen die zu zahlende Bearbeitungsgebühr noch nicht enthalten ist. (APA)

In short words:
...Lufthansa has won a partial victory over Ryanair concerning comparative advertising. Ryanair is NOT allowed to compare their routes and pricing from Hahn with Lufthansa's routes and pricing from Frankfurt. But Ryanair may continue to advertise fares not including a mandatory administrative fee.....


User currently offlineEGFF From UK - Wales, joined Sep 2001, 2201 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1740 times:

Well Done Ryanair! The best man won  Big grin
EGFF



All together or not at all
User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1684 times:

lol there are really people who believe the stuff ryanair writes.

As mentioned by A320FO and Vfw614, Ryanair lost the key injuctions, and the thing they mention as a win in their press realease is not won but just delayed.

Anyway, if LH would really lose this injunction, they would put pressure on FRAPORT to change Hahn's name!
FRAPORT needs the money from LH @ FRA, but they don't really need the few cents they get from FR @ Hahn.

And Airblue, please write the source of the article you're posting, because people could think this is a news from a reliable source and not just the Ryanair propaganda.


User currently offlineSQ325 From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 1451 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1672 times:

Well said Racko
I'm sure Fraport won't risk it making LH angry!
In germany FR will not stand against LH!
Their reputation here is pretty bad!
Fraport will play the major part in this game and finally they will decide for LH because money rules and Ryanair can't pay what LH pays!
HHN has really cheap fees for landing and handling. They are lower than in Karlruhe/Baden or Zweibrücken!
How about increasing the fees at HHN!
I wonder how the story will continue!

regards Bjoern


User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1657 times:

yes, i think this will be another step by FRAPort.

LH will ask them to lower the fees at FRA or rise the fees at Hahn.


User currently offlineB737-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1651 times:


Racko I agree with you. So many people really believing the shit Ryanair tells them. ttzzzzzzzzz...


User currently offlineLj From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4419 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1652 times:

Should LH use indeed their market power to make life for FR more difficult than I you can bet FR will sue LH and win. But FraPort won't do this.

User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1644 times:

No court can do anything against Fraport if they lower fees at fra or rise them at Hahn. They are a company, and they can decide how much they want from airlines.

BTW, i have posted an article from the Financial Times in another thread. This article says what the court really said.


User currently offlineLj From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4419 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1638 times:

Racko, the court can if Ryanair can prove that LH made a threat to Fraport whereby they link the fees at HHN with LH's threat (this will not be so difficult to prove). It's called predatory behavior if I'm not mistaken. However if Fraportv would lower the rates at FRA the courts can't stop that, but Fraport is not that stupid.

Finally, Ryanair always signs long term contracts and these won't be re-negiotiated (unless off course Ryanair receives a better deal)


User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3997 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1626 times:

200.000 € in fines + hefty costs for Ryanair and MOL - it will be interesting to see when this is going to start hurting them....

User currently offlineLj From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4419 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1623 times:

Vfw614, once they have to pay these fines regulary (and that will happen one day).

BTW Ryanair just received EUR 25mio extra out of the public offering. And if they need some additional cash flow they [Ryanair] wouldn't hesitate to squeeze some extra cash out of their clients in one way or another


User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1617 times:

Lj, Fraport & Lufthansa are not stupid. If they decide to do so, nobody will be able to prove that this happened because LH put pressure on them.

Afaik Fraport doesn't sign long-term contracts with airlines, as they want to be able to change the conditions if they want to.

The FT article about the court ruling


User currently offlineAirblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1825 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1599 times:

I'm sorry, I was sure I wrote the source, but I was wrong.
In any case the text come from Ryanair.com.


User currently offlineAirblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1825 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1565 times:

This morning on FR web site I found this press:February 12th, 2002:



VICTORY FOR RYANAIR AS GERMAN COURTS ALLOW RYANAIR TO EXPOSE LUFTHANSA’S HIGH FARES
RYANAIR GIVES AWAY 1,000 FREE SEATS TO GERMAN CONSUMERS TO CELEBRATE THIS VICTORY
Ryanair, Europe’s largest low fares airline today (Tuesday, 12th February 2002) scored an important victory in the Cologne court against Lufthansa’s injunction which originally sought to prevent Ryanair using comparative air fares in its advertising in the German market and to prevent Ryanair using the legal name of Frankfurt-Hahn Airport.

Lufthansa had originally obtained an injunction from the Cologne Courts by arguing that Ryanair’s services were not comparable to those of Lufthansa, and claiming that Ryanair could not compare its very low one way fares with Lufthansa’s very high one way fares. The challenged ad showed the Lufthansa’s fares were four times more expensive than Ryanair’s. Instead of competing against Ryanair by offering lower fares, Lufthansa sought ex parte injunctions against Ryanair’s advertising in the German Courts without any notice to Ryanair whatsoever.

The Cologne Court today rejected Lufthansa’s attempts to prevent Ryanair from comparing its services and prices with those of Lufthansa’s and has recognised the changes that Ryanair made in subsequent adverts which clarify that Lufthansa’s flights are out of the congested, expensive hub airports such as Frankfurt-Main, whilst Ryanair flies out of the uncongested and low cost Frankfurt-Hahn Airport.

Welcoming this decision in favour of Ryanair, comparative advertising and competition in the German market, Michael O’Leary, Ryanair’s Chief Executive said today:

“We are delighted with the Court’s decision in this case. It now leaves Ryanair free to continue to publish comparative advertising which shows just how high Lufthansa’s air fares have been for the last 30 years in the German market. It is only now that Ryanair has established a new base in Frankfurt-Hahn offering German consumers and visitors air fares that are up to 80% cheaper than those being offered by Lufthansa, that the scale of Lufthansa’s high prices have become apparent.

We are delighted that German consumers agree with us, and the Court’s decision today will allow Ryanair to continue to advertise in Germany and offer choice and low fare air travel to many millions of German consumers and visitors. Bookings to date on flights from our new base have been very strong, we have already sold more than 50% of the seats for the first number of weeks of operation and expect to run with load factors which will be significantly ahead of our break even load factors.

“This is just the latest failure of Lufthansa to block Ryanair. Two years ago Lufthansa were unable to match Ryanair’s low fares on the Stansted/Frankfurt route. Three months ago when we announced the new Frankfurt-Hahn base, Lufthansa were unable to match our fares on new routes to Pisa, Milan and Venice in Italy, Carcassonne and Perpignan in the South of France, Oslo in Norway, Bournemouth and Glasgow in the UK and Shannon in Ireland.

“This is a great day for German consumers and Ryanair, and we want to thank the Cologne Court for their help and support. In order to celebrate, Ryanair proposes to give away 1,000 free seats to Bournemouth, Pescara and Milan to German consumers. These seats which are available on the Ryanair website at www.RYANAIR.COM have a net fare of €0.00, (although customers will have to pay the relevant taxes and airport charges). These 1,000 free seats are Ryanair’s way of saying thank you to German consumers for their support in recent months.

“These seats will only be available for booking at www.RYANAIR.COM and will be released at 09.00hrs on Wednesday 13th February. Customers should book these seats early since they are free and they are going to be snapped up very quickly”.



I don't know who wrote their text, but I found a funny mistake (without considering if they really won):
in their new destinations they wrote Venice, Italy.
First of all they don't fly to Venice, but to Treviso; than from Hahn very won't go to "Venice", but they will go to Pescara, Milan (Bergamo) and Pisa.





User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 17, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1552 times:

I read your postings, it was quite interesting. The following articles do not come from FR, but from Reuters, the first one unfortunately in German:

Köln, 12. Feb (Reuters) - Im Werbestreit zwischen der
Deutschen Lufthansa und Ryanair hat der irische Billigflieger weitgehend eine Niederlage bei Gericht erlitten. Das Kölner Landgericht bestätigte am Dienstag auf Antrag der Lufthansa in großen Teilen eine im November 2001 wegen unlauteren Wettbewerbs
ergangene einstweilige Verfügung gegen Ryanair.
Nach dem vorliegenden Urteil des Gerichts ist der irischen Gesellschaft eine vergleichende Werbung mit
Business-Class-Tarifen der Lufthansa untersagt, bei denen der Billigflieger nur zeitlich befristete Sondertarife anbietet. Bei Zuwiderhandlung droht dem Billigflieger nach Angaben des Gerichts eine Ordnungsstrafe von 250.000 Euro. Allein in einem Punkt hob das Gericht die Verfügung auf. Ryanair dürfe mit Flugpreisen werben, die die Bearbeitungsgebühren nicht einschlössen.
In einigen Punkten hatte Ryanair bereits im Januar ihren
Widerspruch gegen die Verfügung zurückgezogen. Die Richter hatten die vergleichende Werbung untersagt und moniert, die Gesellschaft erwähne in ihren Werbeanzeigen nicht, dass die beiden Fluggesellschaften im In- und Ausland verschiedene
Flughäfen in den Zielregionen bedienten. In diesem Punkt hatte
Ryanair ihren Widerspruch zurückgezogen.
Die Lufthansa hatte Ryanair in den vergangenen Monaten
mehrfach Werbung mit unlauteren Mitteln vorgeworfen, unter
anderem dass die Gesellschaft Flüge von Frankfurt aus anbiete,
die aber tatsächlich vom rund 100 Kilometer entfernten Flughafen
Hahn im Hunsrück starten. Das Kölner Oberlandesgericht
untersagte Ryanair mittlerweile die Verwendung des
Flughafennamens "Frankfurt-Hahn".
Ryanair wertete das am Dienstag ergangene Urteil als Sieg
für sich. Das Unternehmen könne weiter vergleichende Werbung
verbreiten, die zeige, wie hoch die Lufthansa-Tarife seien, hieß
es. Um diesen Sieg zu feiern, wolle Ryanair 1000 Freitickets
nach Mailand, Pescara und Bournemouth ausgeben.

In short: FR lost on all battlefields except advertising airfares excluding taxes etc.
If they consider that a victory, well, let them celebrate and to all who manage to get free tickets: have Fun!!!


COLOGNE, Germany, Feb 12 (Reuters) - Leading European
low-cost airline Ryanair expects to beat
analysts' after-tax profit forecasts in its fiscal year to March
2003, the Irish-based group's chief executive said on Tuesday.
"If nothing else goes wrong like foot and mouth disease or
September 11, then yes, I see no reason why we can't," Ryanair
Chief Executive Michael O'Leary told Reuters in an interview.
He added the forecasts he had seen so far predicted an
after-tax profit of between 180 million and 190 million euros
($158-$166 million).
O'Leary, who was in Cologne for a regional court decision on
Ryanair's battle with German rival Lufthansa over an
advertising campaign, said he was comfortable with analysts'
predictions for the current year.
The company recently gave guidance of an upward revision in
the after-tax profit consensus to around 139 million euros from
130 million for the year ending March 31, 2002, he said.
"We've seen nothing in the meantime to change that target
figure."
O'Leary said the 10 percent drop in third-quarter fare
yields announced last week, which sent shares in Ryanair sharply
lower, was largely the result of fare cuts after September's
hijacked plane attacks on the United States.
Over the next few years, Ryanair fares will drop by about
five percent a year, and fare yields will fall accordingly, but
this will be offset by an anticipated fall in costs of between
five and seven percent over the same period, he said.
Ryanair stock was 2.38 percent higher at 6.45 euros by 1800
GMT, outperforming its biggest European rival Lufthansa
, which was up 1.6 percent.
Offering fares on some routes at 10 pounds ($14) or less,
Ryanair has boomed since its launch in 1985 to become Europe's
second-biggest airline by market capitalisation.

GERMAN BLITZ
The budget airline had signed deals with three airports to
become additional Ryanair destinations in Germany, O'Leary said,
adding further details would be announced next year.
The carrier, which currently flies to Frankfurt-Hahn,
Hamburg-Luebeck and Friedrichshafen, was in talks with a total
of eight airports in Germany, he added.
Frankfurt-Hahn is due to start as one of Ryanair's
continental hubs on Thursday, with the company expecting a load
factor of 70-75 percent on its routes in the first full month of
its operation as a hub.
"In about the next four years, Germany will undoubtedly be
Ryanair's biggest market," he said.
"By the time we get to 40 million passengers a year, I think
we would expect that we would be carrying a quarter of our
traffic, or about 10 million passengers, either domestically
within Germany or in routes to and from Germany."
O'Leary said the airline would concentrate most of its
expansion efforts on Germany and Italy and was less interested
in France.
He said his ultimate goal was for Ryanair to become Europe's
largest airline, after which he said he would move on.
"If we got to be the biggest airline in Europe in six or
seven year's time, I can't see any reason to stay after that.
Nothing left to do," he said.


The only thing that somehow amazes me is the last statement: When there's nothing left to do, we then move on. What the hell does he mean by that?????
Regards
Andreas



I know it's only VfB but I like it!
User currently offlineB737-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1528 times:


Souns quite different this time, huh ?
So FR's press release again only told us a very small piece of the cake.


User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1515 times:

Wow, ryanair "celebrates" a big loss!

What will they do if they really win a victory ? Will they give away 738s ?  Big grin


User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1514 times:

Well done FR ... hopefully the German consumer will appreciate the effort!

Away win for Ryanair in Germany

Iain Dey


RYANAIR had German rival Lufthansa on the back foot yesterday after winning the latest round in an ongoing courtroom battle.

The Appeals Court in Cologne threw out an injunction brought by Lufthansa blocking Ryanair’s comparative adverts, which showed Lufthansa ticket prices alongside Ryanair’s cheaper fares.

Following the decision, the German airline giant said it would not enforce a second injunction, blocking Ryanair from advertising Hahn airport - 80 miles south of Frankfurt - as Frankfurt-Hahn, until it comes to appeal next month.

Ryanair chief executive Michael O’Leary, who now expects all four remaining injunctions brought by Lufthansa to be thrown out at appeal, branded the result a "victory".

He said: "We’re delighted with ourselves this morning. I feel like the Michael Owen of the airline industry, beating the Germans on their home turf."

O’Leary, who has previously labelled Lufthansa’s legal moves as "dirty tricks", added: "Lufthansa was trying to stop us advertising at all. But its blown up in its face.

"Through all these court cases, Lufthansa has probably created more PR for us than we’ve had on any other route we’ve launched."

Ryanair, which is set to start 10 new services from Frankfurt-Hahn on Thursday, has been locked in a war of words with its German rivals since it first began advertising the new routes in November.

The German flag carrier objected to Ryanair adverts which advertised its one-way fares against the Irish carrier’s one-way prices, as its return fares were actually lower.

O’Leary, who has fought similar battles with British Airways and Aer Lingus in the past two years, conceded there were "one or two wee errors" which failed to make it clear that Lufthansa flew from Frankfurt’s main airport, but said these had been corrected.

He added Lufthansa’s complaints about the name Frankfurt-Hahn appearing in the adverts are completely unjustified, as the airport is registered legally under that name.

Other injunctions brought out against Ryanair block the no-frills carrier from describing Stansted as a London airport, even though Lufthansa have previously done so themselves.

O’Leary added: "Lufthansa have complained about us calling them a high fares airline. What else can you call them? They’re not exactly good value."


User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 21, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1531 times:

the story is 80% purest bullsh.t ever. Please read my posting above, FR did win NOTHING except the right to advertise net airfare. I'm not quite sure, what exactly to celebrate here.
Whoever the guy is, that wrote the story you posted, quite obviously gives a sh.t about facts, but instead talked to FR only,which is sort of ridiculous if you compare what FR says on its website with what Reuters says.
So let's all keep our composure, no reason to celebrate!
Regards
Andreas



I know it's only VfB but I like it!
User currently offlineD-AQUI From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 203 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1501 times:

For those of you who celebrate Ryanair's 'victory' and those English native speakers who do not read German properly:
Apparently the English speaking media are not very literate when it comes to translating from German into English: Ryanair did not win the case. As a matter of fact the higher instance court in Cologne has ruled that Ryanair was prohibited to further use the name Frankfurt-Hahn.
But obviously Ryanair has a PR department that either excels in false propaganda or is incompetent.

Mr O'Leary, can you hear me? German is my native tounge, would you offer me a job as consultant for language interaction?

Maybe we should create new airpot names: what about 'Brussels Charles de Gaulle' (only 1h15min from Brussels by Thalys) for instance?

d-aqui



User currently offlineB737-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1490 times:


Just to get the facts straight here again. Ryanair lost more than they won !
The Ryanair press release is bullshit.


User currently offlineSabenapilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 2714 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1489 times:

If Ryanair uses the same dirty tricks to turn a huge loss into a win in their press releases about their "unmatched" increases in profitability and load factor, there is much to worry about!!!!

25 Racko : Ceilidh, where did you get this article from ? Anyway, i suggest to stop reading this newspaper because they are too stupid to check if the bullsh*t O
26 Prebennorholm : Tough battle and two winners! Wonderful! In fact three winners when we include German consumers. And non-German consumers visiting Germany. In additio
27 Racko : "- that you can go there easily in your car, not just from Frankfurt/M, but from all south-western Germany, eastern France and Luxembourg. " HAHAHAHA.
28 Airblue : "The real winner will be the one who actually makes profit and pays dividend to the sharehoolders. " Yes, this is true, so we have two winners. But on
29 Post contains images Patroni : >>"- that you can go there easily in your car, not just from Frankfurt/M, but from all south-western Germany, eastern France and Luxembourg. " HAHAHAH
30 D-AQUI : In my opinion the discussion here is too much focussing on a LH vs. FR debate which is clearly not the point. From a consumer's protection point of vi
31 Post contains images Airsicknessbag : About the accessability of Hahn and other airports from Frankfurt city centre, please have a look at what I posted in another thread: Travel times fro
32 Airblue : Today on Ryanair.com in the news area there was again a funny FR press realased. There was again a comparative advertising between FR Vs. LH fares. Bu
33 Post contains images Racko : ok, that's another 255.000€ for Germany. Eichel will start to love Ryanair if they continue to pay our household.
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