Ndebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2897 posts, RR: 24 Reply 5, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1289 times:
They lease a bmi aircraft, operated by bmi crews. Two stupid questions:
1) Where are the ex-Sabena 332s now - why not taking these?
2) What about experienced ex-Sabena pilots and cabin crews - I'm sure they would love to fly for DAT, for even less salary than bmi staff?
Lumumba From Belgium, joined Mar 2001, 369 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1271 times:
If the pilot's say that they understand there desision they must by a raison?
I think BMI is ready or ,to take a part of the risks or lease under there cost to loose less money after 11 SEP.
Sabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1264 times:
Very good question: why not Sabena Airbus A332 a/c and why not SN-staff.
I must say that I also find that stupid: so many pilots and f/a without a job, and now they are acquiring BMI staff!! That makes also me angry, but I can understand that. When there are troubles on those new Africa routes, DAT will lose lots of money, and now that BMI flyes for DAT, DAT has less responsability, and when it doesn't luck, DAT won't lose money on it. You understand? Sorry for the difficult explanation, but my English is not good enought to make clear wath I want to say.
By the way: someone said me that all the A330's of Sabena left Brussels, and they are now in Bordeaux. (Ask Cricri on a.net chat).
Lumumba From Belgium, joined Mar 2001, 369 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1250 times:
That is also what i think .
But i also think the British pilots will suffer in Africa?
You need experince there what they haven't.
But let's wish there good luck to all and to DAT.
Sabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1241 times:
That is also what I think. Sabena had an enormous reputation for it's pilots and the exploration of new (African) routes, I hope that they will fly to Africa too, all was it just on half-time (to don't loose their licences).
Pressclub From Belgium, joined Nov 2001, 773 posts, RR: 5 Reply 10, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1223 times:
To avoid mistakes and false rumours:
x DAT has until now not officially anounced that they will wetlease a 330 from BMi. They are stil negotiating this. A pressconference is scheduled for friday or monday next week.
x The only thing that happened today was a pressconference organised by the Belgian Cockpit Association (BeCA). The BeCA asks DAT to fly to Africa with Belgian crews only. More than 200 ex Sabena pilots are qualified to fly A 330 at this moment. So there is heavy protest from BeCA against the 'possible' BMi operation.
x At this very moment there is a demonstration going on from the BeCa at the DAT building in Melsbroek. All qualified pilots give the DAT management staff their cv
x DAT says that organising a Longhaul Africa operation on their own is too expensive (AOC costs, hire personell...). Therefore they only want to do it with wetlease. Their new boss, Mr Kuypers (ex CEO from DHL's airline EAT) has positive experience with wetleases.
x If BMi is awarded the contract, they will never sell tickets on these flights. It's miles away from their core business.
x This operation has nothing to do with Star Alliance
Pressclub (who was present at the pressconference from BeCA)
Pressclub From Belgium, joined Nov 2001, 773 posts, RR: 5 Reply 18, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1166 times:
Dear Flying Isd,
The planning is: starting with one aircraft and adding a second after some weeks or months depending on the commercial results and financial situation.
You can starting with one aircraft to this destinations as long as you don't offer daily frequencies. So I think they will combine Kinshasa with Entebbe or Kigali with Entebbe. Combining Kinshasa with Kigali is impossible due to the political situation.
Sabena combined also in the past African flights ('double touch'), DAT wil do the same I think.
AirDD From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 375 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1081 times:
While it is sad no Belgian pilots are going to be involved in the new African operations, I can understand why DAT wants to go with BMI. DAT has no money to hire more people and lease A330's. By using BMI the financial risks are covered by BMI. DAT would only "Charter" planes & staff from BMI, if DAT cant sell enough tickets they will stop using BMI; financial impact will be smaller compared to laying off staff and breaking A/C leases in case of own African ops.
Ceilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (11 years 10 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 966 times:
AirDD - what financial risks are with bmi?? They will be wet leasing the aircraft to DAT at a rate of between US$5 and 6,000 per hour and DAT will be paying all other operating expenses direct.
As these aircraft are on the UK register, anyone flying them would have to hold UK licences. Also, as Lumumba pointed out, BeCA members have proven through their work-shy attitudes that they are a serious liability. A headache bmi could do without, in other words!!