Mirabilis From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 74 posts, RR: 2 Posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3667 times:
This past Monday, February 11th, at approximately 8:30 PM (EST), I was on KLM 641 from Amsterdam to JFK. We were inbound for RWY 31L, and, at an altitude of 100-200', the pilot declared a missed approach and went around for a second (successful) landing.
The head stewardess made an announcement that the reason for the go-around was that there was another aircraft on the active runway.
Does anyone have any further details or information on any of the above?
Also, the fact that there was (apparently) another aircraft on our active runway strikes me as a likely mistake, either on behalf of the pilot or ATC.
Jetset From Canada, joined Jun 2001, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3516 times:
happens all the time.my guess the aircraft in front of you did not exit the runway quick enough on landing or a plane was taking off from the same runway did not take-off in time.also i would say that your pilot had the other plane in sight and there was no risk.
Fly_emirates From United Arab Emirates, joined Oct 2000, 1046 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3340 times:
it could happen. one time i was spotting at DCA when i was in the united states, and a US airways aborted landing, after it almost touched down, so another continental 737 entered the threshold, mean while a spirit airline MD-80 was approaching and it climbed because of the continental 737.
Lymanm From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 1140 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3298 times:
Whew, Mirabilis, we are SO glad you are alright. We all feel horrible about your terrifying, near death experience. Hopefully, you'll be able to recover soon. Perhaps you should take some time off work... You are right in blaming ATC and the pilots; obviously, both were rank amateurs. If I were you, I'd lobby to have both incompetent parties removed.
Jwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3290 times:
Not at Schiphol they are not. Schiphol tower will not clear an aircraft to land until after the runway is clear. If needed one may be sent back into the hold before turning final but that's it.
Missed approaches here are rare, and mostly due to pilots misjudging the altitude (-11 feet, some pilots read +11) and ending up too high, or the occasional forgotten landing gear.
The 767 just touched down and is exiting the runway
ATC would do the following AAL101 turn right into juilet, hold short of bravo - contact ground 121,75.
Then ATC would not talk to Speedbird501, cause he cleared him land even before AAL101 touched down.
NOW ATC willt talk to JBL4:
"You are following a heavy Boeing 747 on a 3,5mile final. Report traffic in sight?"
- Traffic in sight
"JBL4 runway 31L cleared to land"
- Rwy31L cleared to land JBL4
At this moment Speedbird501 touches down. But as most of the time, the british pilots are a bit slow. (This has been confirmed by JFK Tower stuff). And not moves off the runway.
Now either the tower will tell JBL4 to go around, or JBL4 will do it on his own.
Its a bit tricky with those landing clearances in advances, but its effective. You can concentrate on the next task rather than clearing them to land "manualy". I know there is a word for those clearances, but I cant remember.
Chepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6383 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3197 times:
When I was coming back to school this past January on board an AA A300 from SJU to MCO the pilot did a go around. This was my first go around so I was puzzled when we were almost over the threshold of the runway and the pilot all of a sudden applied ful power and off to the sky we went . The pilot on that occasion just said it was because he was cleared to land on the wrong runway . This explanation was a bit weird but what the hell he is the one flying the plane. Anyway Mirabilis a go around is a pretty norma occurence.
Cap'n Dan From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3162 times:
Boy, lymanm, between your "Delta Totally Sucks" post last week, and now this, I don't know what's gotten a hold of you, man. You really need to get a grip. I don't know if you have some corrupting friends or anything, but, boy, chill out.
ChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4423 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3143 times:
years ago (early 1980s) I was on a TWA L1011 from San Francisco to St. Louis, on my way back to Boston. We were 'over the numbers' coming into STL, and we did the same thing...the engines spooled up and we flew a VERY tight circuit around the airport and tried again. As we did so, I looked out the window to see if I could locate the proverbial 'other aircraft on the runway.' I saw nothing. But as we were ready to touch down, I noticed that one side of the plane was decidedly lower than the other. Had we touched down, the right undercarriage would have slammed hard onto the surface.
My guess? The plane wasn't positioned quite right (due to winds, poor approach, whatever), yet the explanation was predictable: another aircraft on the runway.
Skyway1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3141 times:
There are quite a few go-arounds in MKE, I especially loved it when Midwest Express would be training new DC-9 pilots. They would do go around after go around after go around. Pretty exciting stuff seeing the 9 roar over evrey twenty minutes or so. I'm not sure if they still do that now or not.
Ntcrawler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3106 times:
I experienced a go around while riding Southwest Airlines, coming into Phoenix Skyharbor from LAX, back in 1994. Same pattern: we were right over the runway, just above decision height, when the crew applied full thrust, and did their circuit around the airport for another attempt. I first thought that it was a missed approach because we were too high to stop on the runway in time. The explanation was of course "there was another plane, taking his time getting off our runway"
Needless to say my parents freaked out and still talk about it to this day, comparing my explanation for the official one, haha
Mirabilis From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 74 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3091 times:
I believe my posting posed a legitimate question which was appropriately addressed to the experience of those members of this list who might have some insight into the frequency with which missed approaches occur, and the circumstances under which they occur. Nothing in my posting remotely suggests an indictment of the ATC system or of the pilots.
With the obvious exception of your post, the responses by other members of the list were very helpful, and I, of course, appreciate them.
BlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2026 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3084 times:
I was happy to read your reply to Lymanm's disgusting post. It is nice to know people will actually reply firmly to posters like that, I know all good members here respect that your reply.
Too often even a troll like Lymanm comes out looking good because the person he flames gets personal or something, and it turns into a jumble of blah blah blah. It is heartening to read your calculated and direct post, while still being respectful, even when you don't need to in light of his remarks.
Cheers m8, fine post, fine carry through,
Smolt From Japan, joined Nov 1999, 286 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2999 times:
Although never experienced go-around with myself
on board, I got several impressive go arounds as a witness;
CAAC B747SP (at that time) was holding short of the runway at NRT, and UA 747 were short on final and were cleared to land....but the 747SP suddenly taxied into the runway and began take off roll. The tower controller cried "STOP! STOP! STOP!" and the CAAC aborted take off and stopped in the middle of the runway. At once UA did go around. Just in my guess, CAAC mistaken landing clearance to UA for take off clearance for him, because CAAC had English translator in the cockpit for pilots who do not understand English.
Additional interesting point, the CAAC seemed to extend the flap to 30 degrees, and after UA go around, he took off without resuming flaps with the usual degree (maybe 5). I still wonder that the rest of the runway was long enough for take off and that the extended flaps should affect the VR and V2 speed.
9Y-ISA From Trinidad and Tobago, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 222 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2983 times:
When me and another friend was spotting at Pearson Int'l in Toronto, there was a British Airways B777-200 was coming in for a landing and as soon as the main landing gears touched the ground he powered up and did a go-around. My friend had his scanner and we heard the pilot said to the control tower that we had a "wind shear warning". While he was contacting the tower you could hear all the alarms and warning chimes going of in the cockpit. I thought that was pretty cool!
SUDDEN From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4169 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2960 times:
I was on a MD83 approaching CPH when the pilot made a go-around.
Reason: There was a car on the rwy!!! An A/C, ok, but a car!!
It happens now and then, but this was a little stupid reason I must admit. But also a little funny.
you have maybe missed the point of this forum/site.
It is for people that want's to learn and share what they know about aviation. It's actually true.
Well, maybe when you get older and your hormones have settled down, you will understand this.