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User currently offlineVarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1594 posts, RR: 8
Posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1930 times:

hi

with the reopening of the line from march 1 and the desire to relaunch it, I got a US$240 round ticket on CDG-DTW-MIA with NW

I never flew with them; it will be a DC-10 and a 757. I'm happy to fly on the old tri-jet before the "bus" replaces it!
but I was wondering what I should expect with NW in terms of service (meal,IFE...)
any idea?


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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7113 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1857 times:

Sorry to say that the DC-10's are in a sorry state, and the NW service suffers from the age of the fleet.

However, the NW crew are excellent, and punctuality is remarkably good. What you lose from the age of the fleet you gain from the smile of the crew.






The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlineVarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1594 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1844 times:

thanks for you answer BestWestern

it's a good thing to have at least a friendly crew....some airlines have the plane ,but the bitchy crew spoils everything



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32691 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1838 times:

When's your flight? DTW-CDG was recently suspended for a short while.


a.
User currently offlineEugdog From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 518 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1831 times:

NWs DC-10 have no PTV. But if you value leg room that might be a blessing! The trouble with PTV is that the entertainment box is located under the seat - causing the lost of precious leg room!!

User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6464 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1807 times:

BestWestern,

How many NW DC-10-30's have you been on to be able to make the statement that "the DC-10's are in a sorry state"? These aircraft generally only fly international and is the aircraft used CDG-DTW.


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7113 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1796 times:

Based in London, and a frequent flyer to America... (In the last twelve months I have been to MSP three times and DTW twice. )

Eight DC-10-30 flights (others on 744's into AMS) have led me to believe that the aircraft are indeed getting old, but as I said "What you lose from the age of the fleet you gain from the smile of the crew"... and my frequency in travelling NWA proves the point that I like the airline....

Compared to DL's 767's MD-11's and 777's into Gatwick, the NW fleet is inferior, but NWA crew are fantastic.




The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3905 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1769 times:

Bestwestern:

The DC10-30s all have new interiors with new business class seats and new projectors and screens for the movies. Sure the plane is old, but maintained very well, and that is what really matters. Just curious to know what physically inside the plane makes you feel like they are inferior. New planes break and have problems too.

Glad you enjoy the NW service... Can't wait for those 330s to arrive!



User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3905 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1775 times:

Wow, that's a great deal you've got to the US. I think you'll enjoy the NW service. It is efficient and friendly and the reliability cannot be surpassed, with NW being the #1 ontime airline across the Atlantic last year. You'll even arrive at the soon to open Worldgateway terminal in DTW for your connection. The food, well, I like airline food, I think it isn't too bad. Comfort is not first class but tolerable. Get an aisle or window seat, avoid the middle of the 5 on the 2X5X2 configuration. What besterwstern said, is true, what you'll lack in onboard ammenities, you'll gain with the great, friendly people NW has to offer.

Post a trip report when you get back!

AZJ


User currently offlineVarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1594 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1718 times:

thank you all for your answers guys!!!!

my flight is march 4th, the DTW-CDG line is reopening the 1st......and yes I'll fly into the brand new NW terminal that opens feb.24!!!!

of course I'll post a trip report and tell you about the dc-10 experience....one of the last chance of dc-10 out of CDG since CO don't use them anymore around here....plus I already flew many times the A340-330, so even if I don't have the ptv, the joy of flying a tri-jet and all you promised me about NW personnel will do the trick

Azjubilee
thanks for the 2-5-2 info
I usually take a window

thanks again




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User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1700 times:

I am not a Northwest Airlines fan. I think the product in both the premium and economy cabins is inferior, planes generally older, although NW does have a substantial fleet of 757's and A320/A319's, and some of the 744's are newer, but agree that by and large, the cabin crew are friendly and helpful.

Northwest has opted not to acquire vast numbers of new planes to keep its balance sheet in check. However, overall, Northwest offers a basic product and is outdone by virtually all other US airlines flying to Europe in on-board amenities, comfort, and breadth of services.

For $240 R/T, I'd probably fly NW too, but spend the entire journey wishing I was on US, CO, DL, BA, AF, or some other airline.

ContinentalEWR


User currently offlineZeus01 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 744 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1692 times:

WE can tell easily on this forum who likes NW and who doesn't. IVe flown the DTW-CDG route in both classes.

Lets clear up a few things: people who say that the planes are no good because there old are a little mis informed. Why? Because NW takes better carte of theri planes than anyone else (highest paid mechanics) and alll fo them have brand new interiors with new IFE systems (yes, they are projectors). Lots more legroom than most of them thought. THe jets fell powerful and ive never though twice about flying on one. NW's been smart keeping older planes and making htem nice. Its the reason why there doing better than all the other majors except WN.

About servie: excellent compared to most majors. Freindly crew and gate people, thought I think MSP has way nicer people than DTW. The food isn't awsome, but i don't think anyone can say that a major has great food. ITs ok.

You won't be disappointed especially for 240 dollars. Youll get there ontime.


User currently offlineILS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1688 times:

The DC-10s are awesome! I highly suggest a pre-flight cockpit visit. I love that old bird.  Big thumbs up

User currently offlineUps763 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1682 times:

I wish I was flying on a DC10. Enjoy them while they are still around!

Matt


User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3905 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1681 times:

VarigMD11 : I have made no promises, so don't hold me to anything. Just stating the facts... thanks.

ContinentalEWR: how can you say NW is not investing lots of money in airplanes? I think they're one of the few NOT deferreing any orders for planes this year. They are spending tons of money to revitalize its fleet. It is one thing to have your negative opinions of NW, but to bring factless arguments is not anyway to have
an intelligent discussion.

My experiences on NW were way better than that of UA, AA, DL or even that famous, overrated and nice partner airline to NW, Continental.

If I recall correctly, it is your beloved CO who is deferring many orders this year, of brand new shiny airplanes to just stay afloat.

So, it is relative... hmmm... do we save a few dollars and survive, or go gang busters and be too liberal with spending and risk going under? Hmmm... I wonder.




AZJ


User currently offlineNwa747-400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1337 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1680 times:

You will enjoy the trip. Try and sit close to the front on the 2 seat side.

The DC10s are older, but dont look it or really even feel it, and they do provide one of the most stable rides in the sky.

Crews are friendly.

NWA is investing big time in the fleet....one new plane every 2 weeks I believe is what the CEO has stated. And the are some big planes, 2 new 747-400s and A330-300s and 757-300s along with A319/A320.


User currently offlineDelta777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1678 times:

Are their 747s, 757s or A330s going to have PTVs?

D E L T A 7 7 7


User currently offlineRoyalDutch From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 917 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1676 times:

The DC-10s I've evr been on belonged to CO...I really like the plane (only downdside was the 2-5-2 config...but like Azjubilee said, just avoid the middle). Northwest has a pretty reasonable service record by me...doesn't match up to their partner, KLM, but decent nonetheless. Smart move to choose them over AF for your trip to CDG! Im sure you will enjoy your flight, and look forward to reading about it!

Regards,
-RoyalDutch


User currently offlineGunFighter 6 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2001, 404 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1675 times:

I would give everything to fly on a DC10  Smile
despite the service of NW might not be that good.

Warm regards
G.


User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1367 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1676 times:

I've been on the CDG-DTW (went on to ATL) flight outta CDG was delayed for a mechanical. There was a glitch with a F/A call button and it went off for at least an hour. My headset jack didn't work and I couldn't listen to the movie. Not that I could see it because the screen was 20 rows ahead of me. Arrived in DTW about 1.5 hours late. Connecting flight delayed about 5 hours because we had no plane and no crew, then we got a plane and had no crew. Scheduled arrival time in Atlanta was 10pm actual was 1:45am.

There was one nasty F/A on the CDG-DTW run. She wouldn't give me anything other than water to drink if it wasn't a meal time.

~Ryan
AirTran/CS/ATL


User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3905 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1672 times:

Apparantly the 330s are to have on demand PTVs in all classes. The 744 will have the new World Business class sleeper seat, not sure about PTVs in coach, but they exist in the WBC cabin. Last I heard the 753 will have new LCD flip down screens, but since 9/11 and the cost cutting measures, there is no domestic IFE so, they may not proceed with that plan.



AZJ


User currently offlineRhino4ever From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 146 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1665 times:

NWA has always had a conservative and consistant fleet plan and modernization. Keeps them from going through all the turmoil like UAL gets to experience every decade, or bankruptcy that CAL has used. Gordo still worries that he will one day have to pay his employee group pay/benefits/retirement that are even close to NWA's. Would put him in the red with his current operation. When CAL can have the history of profitability, safety, standardization and competence displayed by NWA for 76 years and a couple other majors, then all the CAL lovers on this forum can back up their love affair with some facts. Azjubilee and a few others make good consistent open minded points on here. Many just appear to be an extension of another airline's P.R. department. It was Gordon who was first to beg the government for a bailout cause he had so little cash on hand. Spent it all on new airplanes in a short period of time and is defering a large percentage of them now. Most of his cash available is line of credit or loans already exercised. He did some good things to turn a sinking ship around and a great job getting his people to beleive and save the company. It would have been hard for any airline not to make tons of cash during this period though. It was NWA's investment that saved CAL from another bankruptcy or DAL getting them and breaking them up and disappearing. He was very interested in buying the preferred stock back (NWA still holds veto power on CAL sale)and keeping his group distanced from NWA because of the large disparity in wages. Time will tell how smart he is and how good a job he did passing out the koolaid.

User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3905 posts, RR: 28
Reply 22, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 1643 times:

Amen Rhino, you couldn't have said it better. However I don't think most people on this board have the desire to actually understand why things happen and the truth. They're more interested in being treated like gods and having their noses wiped for them by flight attendants. All the while sitting infront of their PTV on an airplane that could be brand new. And when this doesn't happen, they hate the airline.

Nice job,
AZJ


User currently offlineRhino4ever From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 146 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 1630 times:

AZJ Yes sir, that seems to be the case on here too often, but then I see the age and backround and understand. These are the guys that want all the toys, steak and lobster and fly coast to coast in a new $60 mil jet and want to do it for $99. Can't utilize the aircraft much more. Can't turn them any faster, work max days with fewer off to satisty the $99.com crowd. They should rent a car and drive for more $ and 10 times the travel time. And the industry pay rates are down about 50% in real dollars going back to 1974. Still a good career. Just had to blow off some steam. We should share a cold one someday. Cheers!

User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3905 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1617 times:

I feel your pain Rhino!! I read some of things on this board and wonder if I was like that when I was that age, not too long ago. The answer is hell no! I actually studied and thought about what I would post, way back in the day on the prodigy travel bulletin boards. Sometimes I feel like I need a few stiff ones just trying to sift through some of the crap on this bb, for the good stuff. Oh well... people are people.


Take care man,

AZJ


25 Rhino4ever : It was different not so many years ago. People used to think before they said something let alone have some facts. Like the press today saying anythin
26 Mikeybien : I flew a domestic DC-10-40 about a year ago and if I didn't know how old the -10's were I would have never guessed it was getting near it's 30th birth
27 HlywdCatft : The New DTW terminal will really help change the image for Northwest too. Don't forget all of the CRJs that Northwest is ordering for its regionals to
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