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Lufthansa: Possible Strike At CityLine  
User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1821 times:

it´s been in the news over here today and below there´s an article about it. 98% of all CityLine pilots (LH´s regional subsidiary) have voted for an unlimited strike.

already before the Lufthansa mainline pilots negotiated their massive pay increase (about 30% if memory serves correctly) last spring, the CityLine board agreed to their pilot´s demand that the wage difference between Lufthansa and Lufthansa CityLine pilots must not grow any bigger.
however, in the last couple of months exactly that has happenend since LH has agreed to their pilots´ demands. so now it´s also the CLH pilots who want more money.

imho, neither the LH nor the CLH pilots are underpaid and i was pretty much disgusted by the LH pilots wanting more money last year.
however, given the obvious fact that the CityLine board has not sticked to its commitment not to let the wage difference grow anymore, i do totally understand why the CLH pilots want to strike.

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Lufthansa's City Line appeals to pilots to return to negotiating table

Deutsche Lufthansa AG City Line GmbH unit said it appealed to the pilots union Vereinigung Cockpit to restart wage talks with the management, after pilots voted in favour of unlimited strike action.
"We appeal to the pilots to return to the negotiating table and restart talks with the management," said City Line spokeswoman Sofia Hitzbleck, calling today's strike ballot an "unnecessary action".
She said that the pilots union decided on Jan 9 to end talks with the management, although the management said it will present an offer at the end of Feb.
"We told the pilots union at the beginning of Jan that we would present an offer at the end of Feb, when we get an overview of the overall economic situation," the spokeswoman said.
Hitzbleck would not give any details on the City Line management's offer.
The pilots union earlier said in a statement that 97.5% of union votes approved a strike.
Despite the result of the vote, the union is still prepared to continue talks which have been ongoing since July last year, if the management presents a negotiable offer, the union said.
Lufthansa Cityline, which operates 65 planes, employing 663 pilots, organises separate wage agreements with its pilots from parent company Lufthansa, however it is concerned that the wage gap between CityLine pilots and those of Lufthansa pilots is increasing.


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any thoughts?????


rgds
daniel


If only pure sweetness was offered, why's this bitter taste left in my mouth.
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User currently offlineSQ325 From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 1455 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1795 times:

My thoughts!
I thinnk I better do not post them. I have my Sim Screening there next week and my post surely would be deleted!
As far as I know they want 10% more.
The gap between LH and CLH is increasing. OK!
but LH reduced the salary for their pilots after the gulf war and never increased them and LH made big profits the last years!
The CLH is a regional carrier I don't know what they expect they get more money than pilots of other german regional carriers like EW or IQ!
The pilots should take a look at their colleagues flying for other carriers.
BTW CLH and LH are 2 different companys LH based in FRA and CLH in Köln. I sincerly hope there will be no strike.
I WOULD FLY THERE FOR THE PRESENT SALARY
maybe someone of the managment read this  Wink/being sarcastic

regards Bjoern


User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 33
Reply 2, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1778 times:

I´m generally against strikes. They´re just a resort of people who are not able to solve their problems like civilised people. And that means both sides.

I also see the argument that a regional airline´s salary structure is different than that of a mainline airline. The logic conclusion would be that CL pilots should compare their salaries to their colleagues at EW or perhaps even IQ, not LH.
BUT, and that´s a big but: Lufthansa themselves have made the LH and CL products very similar. The borders have blurred to a point that they don´t seem to exist anymore. This becomes visible by simply looking at the CityLine liveries:

early 90s, you notice CL still have alogo of their own, their clearly recognisable as a separate brand under the LH roof:

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Photo © Konstantin von Wedelstaedt



mid 90s: the CL logo has disappeared and has been replaced by the LH crane:

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Photo © Rainer Nyberg



today - the "CityLine" lettering has gone, the metamorphosis is complete:

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Photo © Charles Falk



The travelling public doesn´t even notice they´re flown by a company legally completely different from Deutsche Lufthansa AG, namely Lufthansa CityLine GmbH. I imagine this travelling public would react with disbelief, astonishment and disapproval to the fact that the pilot of an 80 seat ARJ gets paid less than a 100 seat 737. And they would not be too wrong, in my opinion.

Conclusion: as long as LH management decide to maintain a common corporate identity, they should treat their employees equally. After all, they have benefits from that corporate identity as well.

Daniel Smile

Daniel Smile


User currently offlineHoffa From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1775 times:

How can you have the same union (VC) representing both Lufthansa and Cityline? There is an inherent conflict of interest there.

User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 33
Reply 4, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1772 times:

No, the union represents the employees. ANd where´s the conflict of interests? Every union represents employees who share the same job but who have different employers.

Daniel Smile


User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1760 times:

the VC also represents pilots of other german airlines, such as LTU, Hapag-Lloyd, and so on...

daniel



If only pure sweetness was offered, why's this bitter taste left in my mouth.
User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1754 times:

If LH goes on that way, with more strikes, more decreasing service levels (Economy crews cuts), a rising number passengers will be pissed and only agree with Ryanair: Auf Wiedersehen Lufthansa...

I for myself don't mind if LH turns even worse as I have tried many satisfying alternatives so far (Air France, British Airways, Cathay, Delta, Deutsche BA, Iberia, Northwest, SIA just to a name a few) and will go on to avoid LH as much as possible...


Auf Wiedersehen Lufthansa, I just like that expression...
Regards
Udo



User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1744 times:

Udo, we all know your opinion on Lufthansa. There is no need that you post in every thread related to LH.

User currently offline9V-SPF From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1375 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1742 times:

Udo, are you really that frustrated that you can´t stop telling everyone how much you dislike Lufthansa even in a topic that has nothing to do with their service (for example the PTV´s which are so important for you).
I really do accept your opinion, but I´m starting to get bored by the same phrases permanently rising up in every thread that could have a distant relation to LH´s service.

Regards,
Daniel


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