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CO Express Salaries?  
User currently offlineMika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2881 posts, RR: 4
Posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1404 times:

What kind of salary does FO's and Capt. on Continental Express get? And is there a big difference (if any) between the same jobs on a turboprop (ATR, B1900) or a jet like a CRJ? Just curious.  Smile

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User currently offlineILS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1300 times:

CO flies ERJ's not CRJs. There is a CO EX pilot that will help you out when he replies.

User currently offlineAv8trxx From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 657 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 1253 times:

First Officer Monthly Pay by Year and Equipment

BE-1900 EMB-120 ATR 42 ERJ-135 ERJ-145
1 1,557 1,557 1,557 1,557 1,557
2 1,756 1,756 1,756 2,208 2,208
5 2,257 2,257 2,257 2,581 2,581
10 2,358 2,358 2,358 2,623 2,623

Captain Monthly Pay by Year and Equipment
1 2,380 2,892 3,377 3,636 4,108
2 2,485 3,021 3,667 3,745 4,231
5 2,752 3,407 3,957 4,091 4,623
10 3,127 4,045 4,439 4,728 5,308


User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 1223 times:

That sucks! Are pilots that underpaid in the USA? Heck, if I'd gone through all that training and assessments I would want a lot more than that!


I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
User currently offlineILS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 1217 times:

I must say the above table is a little confusing. If you are wondering if the pilots make $4,000 a year, then that is not correct.

FO: Maybe $25,000 - $40,000

Captain: $40,000-$50,000

These are just guesses and if anything I overestimated.

 Big thumbs up


User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 1213 times:

No, I knew it was monthly, it's just that $25,000 per year is about £17,000, and that SUCKS TOTALLY for a professional like a pilot, who has to undergo constant fear that a health check etc will render all those years of training useless.

People who drive the Underground (subway) trains here in London make £30,000 per year ($USD 45,000) and they have like 6 months training, tops!



I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 1207 times:

According to the table:

FO: $18700-$31500
Capt: $28600-$63700


User currently offlineCV640 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 952 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 1199 times:

That's more then I made as a first year FO with Northwest Airlink, about $17,000

User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8366 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 1194 times:

The sun shield in an AMR Eagle ATR said it best... "Will work for food."


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User currently offlineSophiemaltese From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2064 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 1189 times:

A CO Express captain (on an ATR42) would make about $45k/year if he flies his guaranteed minimum 75 hours a month. I think the FO makes about half as much. These figure may not be exact but should be pretty accurate.

User currently offlineRussianplnelvr From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 1184 times:

We all know regional guys in the U.S. get paid dirt, but what about regional pilots in Europe?

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 1183 times:

No disrespect intended, but the majority of the COEX Pilots/FO's are, in essence, kids. The inside joke is that most of them stop flying after 9pm because they have to be home to do their homework for school the next day  Smile

It's the training ground, where you pay your dues, literally, when you're trying to gain hours to make the jump to mainline. It's just the way it is.


User currently offlineMika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2881 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 1165 times:

It's the training ground, where you pay your dues, literally, when you're trying to gain hours to make the jump to mainline. It's just the way it is.

This seems to make a lot of sense.  Smile


User currently offlineRamper@iah From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 240 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (12 years 10 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1134 times:

"No disrespect intended, but the majority of the COEX Pilots/FO's are, in essence, kids."

Yes, that comment was disrespectful. Kids dont't fly airliners, professional pilots do.


User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4021 posts, RR: 27
Reply 14, posted (12 years 10 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1132 times:

I wouldn't exactly call it "training ground". We did that in the sim, like mainline and we did it on OE, like mainline. We aren't flying 15 seat turbo props anymore at the regionals. We are flying jets that are sometimes more sophisticated than mainline jets. We carry the same people who pay the same money to fly on our planes as they do on yours. It is one ticket usually. I fully understand it is an entry level position, but we deserve to be paid as professionals, not interns or understudies or "people in training." Livable wages and better work rules are mandatory... because we do the exact same thing as mainline pilots do and it is about time we're compensated for it. I don't need 100K a year, that's in my future, I just need enough to actually cover my bills every month...

AZJ


User currently offlineCV640 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 952 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (12 years 10 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1130 times:

I guess I should change my PA from, welcome aboard your flight to such and such,
instead I'll say welcome aboard my training flight where I'm learning how to fly, so nice of you to join and observe me
HA


User currently offlineIAHERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 677 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (12 years 10 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1109 times:

I'd expect a comment like that from Alpha1. Read some of his previous posts on similar topics. For the record, I'm in my 4th year at Express and am a captain on the EMB-145. My W-2 for 2001 which was split half and half from EMB-120 captain and ERJ captain showed a taxable income of 55,000. I did not fly much overtime at all and most of my time on the ERJ has been spent on reserve getting the minimum salary. 55,000 is not a lot of money for the responsibility we endure on a day to day basis. I think this will change on the next contract which is comming up very shortly, so I won't complain on this board about the pay. The company is for the most part great to work for. We run one hell of an operation for a "regional". 6 of our jets already have ACARS and we get a new jet every week and 2 jets a week get the retrofit. We use jetways at almost all of the cities we serve and at all our hubs. We are one of the only regionals to serve meals at breakfast, lunch and dinner on our jets. We are going to be spun off in the next few months and we could operate flights for other mainline carriers or in our own livery (Expressjet Airlines). Who knows what the future will bring to Continental Express. I know the pay will have to come up for our pilots. I respect the agents and ground personnal on this board but disagree with the statement about this being a place to "pay your dues". We have no career progression to CAL anymore. We are the only employee group that could not transfer between the mainline and Express in the past and it will become even more difficult in the future. I don't really care as I have always planned on staying here for a few years then transitioning to a major carrier like Northwest/Delta/American. This has all changed and me and many other pilots are working hard to make Continental Express a great airline for a career. Nobody looses this way.

Realistic pay rates based on holding a line at Continental Express

F/O
1st year 20,000
2nd year 35,000

CA ( 4th year as that is how long it takes to upgrade these days)
4th year Jet 52,000
5th year Jet 55,000

Fly more overtime and you can easily make 65,000 as a jet captain. However nobody chooses to fly overtime much these days as we have furloughte pilots on the street that need to come back as well as hundreds of reserve pilots that only fly 15 hours a month.

Hope this helps.



Actually flown: EMB-120 EMB-145 B717 B737 B757 B767
User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5521 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (12 years 10 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1099 times:

damn! I'm going to need 2 jobs!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Continental


User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4021 posts, RR: 27
Reply 18, posted (12 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1088 times:

"Ladies and gentlemen, this is your first officer. WE're lever at 35,000 feet now enroute to Montreal. We have roughly 2 hours and 30 minutes left in the flight. Sit back relax and enjoy the flight. Oh by the way, I'm just in training in this 30 million dollar jet. It is the captains leg and therefore I'm relegated to the PA annoucements and flap operation. But rest assured, I'm getting lots of practice for when I grow up and can be a first officer at a major airline... curiously doing the exact same thing I am now. In the meantime, enjoy your inflight meal service, nonregional jet like atmosphere on a regional jet and don't let it bother you that I spent 5 weeks eating, breathing this airplane during training. I am fully qualified. Oh and by the way, leave some money in the tip jar upon your disembarkation. Some people feel I am worthy of the peanuts I get paid. After all I AM just in training. Thanks again for chosing Northwest Airlink, operated by Mesaba Airlines.

I couldn't resist... CV640 opend a can of worms.

Continental: don't bother with a second job, its hard to tell another employer they're second tier and that you need 4 days off every once in a while and when on reserve are attatched to a phone or pager for 14 hours at a time. YOu need a home based business!!

To tout the RJ85's horn... we have Acars and 2 CDUs in all our planes, jetway boarding at most airports, a first class cabin, a coach class cabin that feels like first, meals on longer flights (only in FC now, due to the cutbacks) and full size overhead bins!! Not bad eh, for a trainer?

AZJ


User currently offlineCV640 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 952 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (12 years 10 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1074 times:

Good one Azjubilee. As for a second job, I took one and do know of quite a few at different airlines that have as well

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 10 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1066 times:

Ramerp@iah, I said it was not meant as disrespectful, and that's what I meant, OK? I've seen some of these guys-they're very, very young. Does that mean they're not qualified? No, it doesn't. But it means that many of them are doing their first go-around with the jets, and that IS their training ground for mainline jets. It's your problem if you don't like the comment, not mine.

User currently offline777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (12 years 10 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1058 times:

Yes, COEX pilots are young, but by virtue of the fact that they ARE professionals, they don't deserve to be called "kids".

It is true, however, that COEX is almost a "proving ground" for the mainline, and really allows younger pilots to sharpen their skills and develop into very good pilots when they make "the jump" regular CO-branded operations. I have come into contact with some excellent pilots running COEX for the time being, people whom I believe will grow into some of Continental's best pilots. In a way, flying COEX is more intense than mainline, with busy schedules, tight turnarounds, and lower pay; surviving this will translate into greater success and responsibility on big jets in the future. For that reason, I have tremendous respect for the guys down at COEX.

A good analogy for this particular situation might be the training-wheels on a bicycle: You have to start out with them, and it takes a lot more effort to keep up with the big boys, but once you get past them, you look back on them, and realize what a great tool it was.


User currently offlineRussianplnelvr From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (12 years 10 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1048 times:

What kind of second jobs do pilots apply for?

User currently offlineRamper@iah From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 240 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (12 years 10 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1042 times:

posted by 777gk:
"it takes a lot more effort to keep up with the big boys"

And what's that supposed to mean? Do you think flying a 777 is more difficult than flying a smaller jet? Nope, the same skills are needed. The CALEX fleet does not have "training wheels" as you suggest. It's funny how all of the flow-backs from CAL are now labeled as "kids." And, as for the effort it takes to keep up with the big boys, I'm sure some CALEX pilots are eating as much as they can to get those big guts so they can fit in with the CAL guys. Can you button your uniform coat?


User currently offlineCV640 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 952 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (12 years 10 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1035 times:

Here in Memphis we have some that work over at FedEx at night or even a few mechanics and gate agents for NWA.

25 Av8trxx : Yes, it is by month, and the figures are provided by Air Inc. Didn't notice I put 'yearly salaries' til too late, but you guys got the picture and fig
26 Alpha 1 : Ramper@iah-your attitude really sucks, you know that? Every time someone says something, you take some offense to it. Guess what? Many of these COEX p
27 Ual777contrail : major pilots areover paid, and express pilots are underpaid.whats up with that?
28 IAHERJ : I think 777gk was trying to be positive here. I thank him for that. Sure, we're young for the most part. Hell I was 23 when I checked out in the left
29 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Alpha1, I hope I run into you the next time a trip takes me through CLE. You are probably a nice guy who got treated like crap from one of our young g
30 Post contains images Markus : For a minute there I thought this was going to turn into an Ssl argument ...Whew! IAHERJ Your perspective on this topic is dead-on correct, IMHO. For
31 IAHERJ : Alpha1, Thanks for the reply and I can understand your concern with unions. I can think of only 1 regional of any size that operates without a union.
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