YP6370 From Germany, joined Apr 2000, 193 posts, RR: 0 Posted (11 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1395 times:
Austrian Airlines has specific plans to start service to Kabul as first western airline as soon as the infastructure at the airport is rebuilt and a permission of the military for scheduled flights is given.
B737-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (11 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1282 times:
Wow, now this surprises me. Ok they won't have any competition but still it sounds crazy. Who wants to go to Kabul ? Is there a business demand ? Because I somehow doubt many toursit will be going there.
They could use an A319 and stop over somewhere.
Karliboy From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 254 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (11 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1263 times:
Wouldn't Afghanistan now be an 'emerging market' with lots of financial backers, banks and companies wanting to set up there...this happened a lot when i worked for Chase Manhattan Bank especially with Kazakhstan....the merchant banks almost filled the Lufthansa flights to Almaty!
MD-87ER From Austria, joined Aug 2001, 153 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (11 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1212 times:
I think it was in another Austrian newspaper already a month ago. And if I remember it right they just want to make a stop on their flight to Kathmandu. (operated in the moment with 767-300 from Lauda-Air)
And that flight is only once per week (high season 2x). So it doesn't seem to be a big financial risk.
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8818 posts, RR: 12 Reply 10, posted (11 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1117 times:
I am surprised that AUA is the first airline wanting to pull this off, I was also thinking of BMed due to the high percentage of BA routes to the area with BMed, maybe a possible extension of the Tehran flight?
Twaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (11 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1099 times:
I don't think the MD-80 can make this trip.
Afghanistan is pretty different than Kazakystan because the latter had/had tremendous oil and gas reserves that excited Europe and America. Afghanistan has none of that and relatively little wealth at all. It's almost like investing in the middle of the Pacifc Ocean, there is little there that would excite western businessmen.
Also, I think Afghanistan is still a really dangerous place, government assassinations, meless at the soccer game, a firefight with the UK troops. I'd give it time before it becomes a safe destination.
MD-87ER From Austria, joined Aug 2001, 153 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (11 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1089 times:
Hoffa wrote: ....Austrian is an Eastern Europe and Central Asian specialist that serves more destinations like Baku, Almaty, Sarajevo etc than any other European airline.
Sure, i agree that OS is an Eastern Europe and Central Asian specialist, but you choose the wrong cities to prove it, as they don't fly to Baku and Almaty.
(Almaty was stopped, when they stopped flying A310)
But they do fly to a lot of other cities like:
Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Chisinau, Anapa, Yerevan, Tbilisi ot Tehran to name a few in the region. (and Sarajevo )
Lj From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4327 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (11 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1086 times:
I don't think this is a very strange move. They were the first (or at least one of the first) airline to fly to Pristina in Yugoslavia. Moreover they've been the first to fly to an ex war zone before and this comes as no real suprise.
BTW isn't Austrian also the only European airline to fly to Aleppo (Syria)?
Airmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 372 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (11 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1087 times:
Contraray to what you say Twaneedsnohelp, the gas pipelines from Central Asia have to pass through Afghanistan, so the development potentail is there. The U.S Commercial Counsellar inpakistan has even asked the govt. to start PIA flights to Kabul to facilitate all the sundry that are going to participate in the development to have the services of a "good airline" to teh country in his words.
PanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9 Reply 15, posted (11 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1078 times:
Is there a lot of United Nations employees on these flights?
I agree I don't think this will be a very safe place to be. With the possibility of the Taliban regrouping and the continued threat of land mines, I don't see how there can be much business opportunity.
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Airmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 372 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (11 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1078 times:
U.N personnel travel mostly from Pakistan on 50 seat AN24s leased by the U.N. the other aid agency personnel have to pay 1200 Dollars return to fly on the U.N planes from Islamabad to Kabul and seats are hard to get. So PIA is losing out too by not flying there.
Planeguy From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 322 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (11 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 967 times:
Let's see, we'd have UN personnel, diplomats, financiers, a very large Afghan expat community both in Europe and N. America, technicians, advisers and journalists. Yup, I'd say OS would do well in this market. This could turn out to be a nice high-yield route that would compliment their current presence in the region. So they'd definitely enjoy a first-mover advantage.