Hoffa From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2784 times:
By GUY CHAZAN
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
MOSCOW -- Russian officials are scrambling to soften the impact of a European ban on noisy airplanes that threatens to hammer the country's package-holiday industry.
Starting April 1, the aging Russian airliners that ferry most flights chartered by package-holiday operators won't be allowed to land at airports in Western Europe. A European Union ban on noisy planes could affect more than half the estimated 300,000 Russian tourists expected in Spain alone this year, according to Spanish tourist officials. The Russian Association of Tourist Agencies says total passenger traffic will fall by 8%, and it claims Spain, Italy, Portugal and Greece could lose a total of $1 billion (1.15 billion euros) a year in revenue from Russian tourists.
Aeroflot, the national carrier, says it won't be affected because it uses Boeing and Airbus planes and modernized Tupolev 154s on most of its European routes. But the EU measure will ban planes such as the Ilyushin 86 and the Tupolev 134 that are used by smaller charter companies.
Russia's older aircraft weigh in at 100 decibels, compared with about 94 for the current generation of Boeings. European environmentalists have long called for a ban on the thunderous Russian models.
Safety fears have also grown: There were twice as many crashes involving Russian-built airliners in 2001 as in 2000, according to the European Commission.
Following last Tuesday's crash of an Iran Air Tours' Tu-154 in western Iran with the loss of all 119 people on board, Iran's transport minister said Tehran will be removing all Russian-manufactured planes from its fleet. (See related article.)
Russia has launched a diplomatic offensive against the EU's directive, sending delegations to Brussels and other European capitals to seek exemptions for certain planes. Meanwhile Russian transport officials have threatened to retaliate, reducing the number of European flights that are permitted to fly over and into Russia if the ban is implemented.
The EU expresses hope that a compromise can be reached. Constantinos Vardakis, a European Commission spokesman, said Russia could negotiate temporary exemptions with individual EU member states that would allow certain planes to fly to certain airports. In return, Russia would have to provide a timetable for phasing out planes to comply with the new rules. A full repeal of the legislation is "out of the question," he said.
European officials stress that the Russians were given plenty of warning. The directive, based on a 1990 resolution of the International Civil Aviation Organization, was adopted by the EU in 1992; airlines were given 10 years to comply. Some, such as Aeroflot, already do. But smaller airlines without the funds to buy new aircraft say they will be badly hit.
NewSwissair From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 282 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2652 times:
That`s terrible for the Russian airlines. I would love to see them for a long time in the future. Switzerland isn`t in the EU and a Bulgarian Airline will fly to Zurich this summer with Tu-134. Great aircraft! Russian aircraft are as safe as western aircraft!!! Don`t forget, please.
GOT From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 1912 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2630 times:
As much as I like to see russian planes come to western airports, I want them not to. I think most of us (if not all) want a nice envoirment, and old, noise, dirty planes, both western and russian, don't fit in.
If we puch the date when they will all be gone further and further, more people will start to complain and the whole industry may suffer.
As hard as it is, the old and noisy planes must go now, otherwise newer planes like 737 classic and so on may also suffer.
Just like birdwatching - without having to be so damned quiet!
EGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 32
Reply 5, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2595 times:
Damn that Is crap, why would they do this? And how come '4db' is such a big deal? My stereo is measured in decibles, and the difference between say -40db and -36db is not much at all, so banning russian airliners would stop a tiny bit of noise, but lose the tourist industry hundreds of millions of euro's. Go figure.
Yak42 From Ireland, joined Oct 2000, 802 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2575 times:
I do see benefits for Russia and eastern Europe in this. The banning of these outdated types such as the IL86, Tu134 and the Tu154B will create much demand for the newer Russian aircraft such as the Yak42, Tu154M, Tu204, Tu334 and the Il96 putting new life into their industry.
The Russian government may raise taxes on imported/EU aircraft forcing Aeroflot to buy home products.
Also the loss of some Russian tourists to EU countries may be to the gain of Black Sea resorts which are not doing as well as there Western European neighbours.
You see, every cloud has a silver lining.
Patroni From Luxembourg, joined Aug 1999, 1403 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2516 times:
Well well well.. again an article about the EU starting a conspiracy against Russian aircraft? As far as I had understood so far, this ban includes ALL chapter 2 aircraft, like DC-8, Boeing 707, 737-200 and 727, BAC 1-11 etc? But I have also heard that they are working on an exemption for the IL-76 of some carriers, which shall undergo some modifications?
Rather than seeing this as an attack on the Russian economy, I rather would see this as a bold step towards more environmental and neighbourhood friendly air transport...
Vafi88 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2499 times:
Why don't people like noisy planes? They keep whining about planes flying over their houses " causing noise" and disrupting their buisness. I have planes flying over my house a couple times a week to land on Runway 35 at DEN and I can't even hear them when I sleep. Russians never complain about this problem even with their noisiness and everybody else is whining.
I don't get it.
I'd like to elect a president that has a Higher IQ than a retarted ant.
Airsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 32
Reply 22, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2448 times:
Concorde is not more polluting than a 747.
And if you´re talking about noise - sure you can say "Concorde doesn´t count"; and because it makes no difference whatsover with roughly 2000 Concorde take offs per annum WORLDWIDE (the Russians combined probably do that in 3 hours) nobody´s going to care.
Prebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6813 posts, RR: 54
Reply 23, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2441 times:
It's a fact that a lot of people don't like noise, street noise, train noise, neighbor noise - lawnmovers etc. And aircrafts.
It's a fact that such noises are regulated by law, especially in densely populated areas.
It's a fact that many airports have a contract making them able to operate only within acknowled EU rules. Otherwise they have to be closed down.
It's a fact that since April 1992 nobody have been in doubt what rules would be in effect from 1st April 2002. And that those rules included a waiver for the present Concorde fleet.
It's a fact that many airports have had to impose more strict rules, or post April 2002 rules, many years ahead of 2002 in order to be able to continue operation.
It's a fact that non stage 3 compliant equipment have been picked up by some low cost charter carriers for very small amounts, because everybody knew that they could find very limited use after April 2002.
It's a fact that those carriers from day to day can pick up leased Stage 3 compliant equipment. But not for almost free like the noisy equipment. Some carriers may have a business plan which is only valid when they have the planes almost for free. They will close down when the "party is over".
Every time a deadline is approaching, then there will be a flock shouting "wulff is coming". But we will see next April, when the EU goes from 99% to practically 100% Stage 3 compliant, then it will not be the end of the world.
The worst effect in Europe will be that strawberries in February will increase 5% in price since those African B707 cargo planes will be retired from service to Europe.
Regards, Preben Norholm
Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs