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Do QF Fly Their 747's During Day-layovers At Lhr?  
User currently offlineAdamHarvard From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 72 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2361 times:

I heard a rumour that QF were planning to 'rent' their 747's for the day to another airline during layovers at LHR. QF flights arrive early in the morning at LHR and leave late at night thus spend all day sitting on the ground, on A.net I have seen a picture of a QF 744 at Thesaloniki in greece which is not part of the QF network.....is this a 'day charter'? Do any other long haul airlines use/rent their planes for local flights during long layovers?

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User currently offlineBmi330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1450 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2294 times:

they could probaly run high desity european charters for mytravel, tui or jmc they might all ready do this in summer because of the big increse in pasengers through summer months?

User currently offlineNG737PSR From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2277 times:

I think they actually operate flights for a cruise company to/from Barcelona during some of the day layovers at LHR, that's what I remember hearing last.

User currently offlineQFATWA From New Zealand, joined Jun 1999, 738 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2180 times:

QANTAS operates under contract to BA for cruise connection charters. A very lucrative use of a day-sitter aircraft. Also occasionally out of FRA.

User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7303 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2159 times:

I am always amazed by the Qantas and South African 747's sitting all day at LHR...

Qantas have UK Caa permission to fly charters to meet cruises, but they rarely do any of this work.



The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlineQantas744 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 246 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2123 times:

Qantas did use the spare capacity to do flights to Barcelona last summer,going out at 0830 and back in the early afternoon-I presume the same will apply this summer aswell.

Cathay also has a couple of 744's lying idle all day at LHR,as do SAA.


Matt



you can't buy time but you can sell your soul and the closest thing to heaven is to rock'n'roll
User currently offlineHailstone From Germany, joined Nov 2000, 410 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2090 times:

qf5/6 into/out of FRA has about 16 hours of ground time and has been used into various destinations in the canaries, places like palma and also mainland spain - probably beats having it stand in FRA all day accruing parking charges....

User currently offlineRickB From United Kingdom, joined May 2003, 243 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2078 times:

Do BA do day flights with their 744's when they are parked for the day in Johannesburg? I always thought it was a huge waste of an aircraft just being sat at the airport all day - same goes for Garuda's 744 parked at Gatwick for most of the day.

User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 33
Reply 8, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2066 times:

Cathay flew from FRA to BRE and PAD and back; the PAD flight was even listed in the OAG - "HKG-PAD CX something, 1 stop"

Daniel Smile


User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2022 times:

CX has 1 flight that leaves at about 1810 though.It is possible to see 7 jumbos parked at the east end of LHR during the day

User currently offlineBkkair From Thailand, joined Aug 2001, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2007 times:

A F/A friend who works for QF gave me his pattern one day and I was amazed to see him flying all kinds of day charters around Europe during the day. These charters are operated by complete QF crews. Very strange but very smart of QF.

User currently offlineSQ325 From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 1455 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1985 times:

I thought about the same thing.
Here at FRA the QF 747 aslike the SAA B747 arriving in the early morning and are parked ojn the apron untill late evening!
Wonder how much money this costs!

regards Bjoern


User currently offlineLGW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 1963 times:

I dont know about CX or QF but SAA choose to have a day stop over. It increases business as it means people have nice flight times. Depart Sout Africa in the evening, sleep on the night flight. Land early morning and you have the whole day ahead of you, the same for the return trip.

Business men especially like the timings so that is one reason why.

LGW


User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1937 times:

I was arguing with Capt. Picard the other week about whether the timing of the Virgin flight from Cape Town to Heathrow is was timed well.It leaves LHR at night,gets into CPT early morning and leaves at like 8 am for LHR arriving LHR early evening.This must result in poor yield as I suspect most business men do prefer flying at night

User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1984 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1934 times:

Is it safe to have an airplane run all day long, land, and then do charters, land ,then do a huge flight at night? Does it need to rest?


My posts/replies are strictly my opinion and not that of any company, organization, or Southwest Airlines.
User currently offlineQantas744 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 246 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 1921 times:

Am I missing something Donder10?

2xCathay 744's,3xSAA 747's and a QF744 makes six....the other QF744 is invariably found in the world cargo area.


Matt



you can't buy time but you can sell your soul and the closest thing to heaven is to rock'n'roll
User currently offlineAdamHarvard From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 1890 times:

thanks for all the interesting replies.....Does anybody know if Qantas bases any crews in London or Frankfurt over the summer to operate any of these 'local charters'? or do the Australian crews fly these short sectors during layover time before returning the aircraft to Oz as a scheduled QF flight?

User currently offlineAJ From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 2397 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 1870 times:

The re-introduction of the QF31/32 will reduce extended layovers of Qantas Boeing 747-400s. This lunch time arrival and departure means that two of the aircraft only have half a day at Heathrow.
Charters are more common in Summer, flown for cruise companies, often on behalf of BA.


User currently offline9V-SVE From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 2066 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 1859 times:

All SQ's 3 flights into LHR stay in LHR for more than 12 hrs.

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