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Most 744's Are Now Freighters.  
User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1380 times:

Look at the latest line numbers.

1290 MH 744
1291 KE 744F
1292 VIP 744
1293 LH 744
1294 CI 744F *Gear collapse !!)
1295 KE 744F
1296 MH 744
1297 NW 744
1298 SQ 744F
1299 LH 744
1300 CI 744F
1301 MH 744
1302 KL 744
1303 NW 744
1304 5Y 744F
1305 OZ 744F
1306 CZ 744F ** Cant wait to see this one **
1307 5Y 744F
1308 QF 744 ** ER **
1309 BR 744F
1310 PO 744F
1311 CV 744F
1312 CZ 744F ** And this one !! **
1313 QF 744 ** ER **
1314 CI 744F
1315 AF 744F ** ER **


So of the last 25 744's on the line 15 are freighters. How long do you think before the last passenger 744 is built ??

Does anyone know the line number of the Gabon 744 ??

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User currently offlineCx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6618 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1246 times:

When a production line becomes all freighters, it's not normally that long before then end comes for the entire line!!

User currently offlineZeus01 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 744 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1193 times:

I don't know where you got that, but NWA doesn't operate any 744 frieghters. They are all passenger.

User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1180 times:

Hkgspotter1,

Boeing will probably mostly sell freighter versions of the 744 from now on !!

Now, don't get too excited just yet !!

I believe that Boeing has stated several times they plan to make completely new versions of the 747 when they feel the time is right !!

The 747 has a long future ahead, in fact, new 744ERs haven't even come off the line !!

!! !! !! !! !!


NWA742


User currently offlineD-AIGW From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2001, 261 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1173 times:

Zeus01 - would you mind pointing out, in the list, a NW 744F? I can only find NW 744's (1297, 1303) but not any freighter.

User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1142 times:

That is correct D-AIGW. I never said they are freighters.

As for the `ER' 744's, well how many have they sold ??. I think its 8 in total. 5 for AF and 3 for QF.


User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1089 times:

Yeah very true. When the line comes down mainly to Fs, it will end after that.. although I don't hope so.  Sad


Boeing747 万岁!
User currently offlineSdate747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 272 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1084 times:

Have no fear. The 747 program is not going to end anytime soon. Traveller volume is going to continue to grow over the next 25- 30 years. Boeing cannot cram seats into the 777 like it can on the 747. Also, the 747 is really great when it comes to crossing oceans. This plane is not headed towards retirement. Just wait till boeing launches a avionics upgrade program - those orders will pick right up.
And oh yeah... not having a global recession also helps


User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1089 times:

I'm not saying its finished now, however I dont see it lasting many more years.

User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1054 times:

I wonder if there is a possibility of B744 orders going up even if passenger loads keep increasing for the next few years... It seems that the B777-300ER will repalce them sooner or later!

By the way, about the CZ B744F, when is it due to CZ and where will it be flying to?

See ya

alvin



Boeing747 万岁!
User currently offlineB-HOP From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2000, 646 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1012 times:

Who is 5Y please?


Live life to max!!!
User currently offlineBoeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 998 times:

5Y is Atlas Air.


Free-thinking, left-leaning secularist
User currently offlineHkg_clk From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 999 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 995 times:

5Y is Atlas Air.

I think Boeing might keep the 747 line going even if orders drop even more. The 747 is their 'flagship' plane, so just for prestige, they'll keep it.



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User currently offlineSilverstreak From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 281 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 971 times:

Has anyone thought the glut of airplanes now on the ground not working? Why would the airlines want to order more?

User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 924 times:

I think what we are seeing here is several things. First off, yes the 747-400 line is slowly coming to an end. The freighter aircraft are still extremely attractive though which is why you see more of them coming down the line. Again though, over time the 747-400ERF will begin to garner these orders.

The reason pax 747-400 orders are drying up is because the 747-400ER is now the new kid on the block and the "First of a Family" of 747s. Companies are holding their orders for 747s until Boeing unveils where it is truly going with the program. The 747-400ER is a line filler until the next workhorse family of 747s is launched. When the economy begins to pick back up, you will see progress. Until then, Boeing is just as happy producing 747-400Fs as 747-400s.



"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 905 times:

Maybe airlines want to see how the B744ER works with QF and might decide to buy some one day when the pax load increases... I am hoping for this to happen!


Boeing747 万岁!
User currently offlineLparky From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 897 times:

So if the 744 line shuts down in the near future, wouldn't the a340 line be in jeopardy too?

User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21486 posts, RR: 53
Reply 17, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 841 times:

I think the question will be decided when the jury´s coming back in on the A380 real-world bottom line performance. If it´s no good or unimpressive, the 747 might have yet another chance. If it´s superb, the 747 would be in trouble.


Lparky: So if the 744 line shuts down in the near future, wouldn't the a340 line be in jeopardy too?

I doubt it. It´s just been completely overhauled with the -500 and -600 - basically A340NG versions. If anything, it will inherit a part of the 747´s piece of the pie (together with the 777 and the 380). And I don´t think that piece will just go away...  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineBmi330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1450 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 832 times:

use are talking as if the fultuers are surkling round this amzing plain am sure boing will pull another 747 world better out the bag soon and show them why she is the queen of the sky!!!

User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (12 years 8 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 782 times:

I think that we are missing many points here. First off, the A380 is still in its infancy more of a paper airplane than actual metal etc. The 747 isn't dead, it isn't dieing its just doing what it does. Rolling down the line at Everett and going to customers. Boeing has already stated that they will be producing 747s for 30 more years. Here we sit wondering what the future holds for a proven aircraft that continues to dominate the long haul sector like nobodies business, while the A340-500/600 "revamped" line can't get an order to save its life. Airbus is trying to dump Swiss Air's with SAA, heck Airbus has actually loaned money to Virgin so that Virgin can pay for them. It is a slow time in commercial aviation so lets just see how these things play out.


"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 8 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 776 times:

I think :

Passenger operation were hit bad by 9-11. Lots of passenger aircraft were cancelled. Cargo operations proved less vunarable ; aircraft were not cancelled.

Some carriers are going for higher frequency's and more point to point traffic where 747's are too big A330/40's & 767/777's are ordered instead.

cheers

keesje


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