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User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1921 times:

Ansett offers its frequent flyers a freebie - for $75

By Darren Goodsir, Transport Writer

Previous members of Ansett's frequent-flyer program will be able to earn a free flight after taking just one trip on any fare level, the airline's prospective owners revealed yesterday.

But there's a catch: former base members will have to rejoin for $75 to gain 10,000 bonus points under the Tesna syndicate's plans.

The new scheme, to be called Ansett's Frequent Flyers, will be linked to the Star Alliance network of international airlines, and Golden Wing Club members get complimentary membership.

The points will not expire, unless a member fails to accrue or use points within three years.

The Tesna syndicate, led by Solomon Lew and Lindsay Fox, has refused to revive any of the 70 billion Global Rewards points frozen since the airline was grounded last September. Instead, they have offered the 2.7 million members incentives to buy flights, including an ability to earn points for family and friends on a personal account.

The new scheme means previous members will accumulate points 15 times faster than the former program for the first year.

Once the $75 fee is paid, members receive a 10,000-point bonus. A standard trip from Sydney to Melbourne will attract a further 10,000-point loading, in addition to 1414 points that would normally be earned. This would give a member 21,414 points, meaning they could travel between cities for 20,000 points.

All subsequent trips in the first year receive a 2000-point bonus.

For former Sapphire, Platinum and Diamond members, there is no rejoining fee and even heftier incentives - a clear pitch to the corporate market.

But the scheme does not yet have links to banks or credit card providers. Announcements on these are expected soon.

The revival of the scheme does not preclude a number of class actions planned to recover the value of lost points.

Hey guys,

Good news from the Tesna Camp.

Cheers,

MJE



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User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1821 times:

Guys,

I forgot to add you can go to the website and *join* there.

This must be huge boost to customers confidence in Tesna / Ansett as the details on the website are extremely detailed including Star Alliance Partner airlines.

Who said F/L were not serious?

mb

A new star is born..


User currently offlineSixStarAnsett From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1810 times:

Hurrah!

Fox/Lew and Ansett come through with the goods...

Did I say HURRAH!

SixStar

 Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineWirraway From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1792 times:

Ansett buyers want a discount

By IAN ROYALL, aviation reporter
20feb02

TYCOONS Lindsay Fox and Solomon Lew are seeking to drive down the price they pay for Ansett by up to 10 per cent, banking sources say.

The discount -- believed to be about $27 million -- would further erode the meagre 5c in the dollar promised last month to unsecured creditors.
The Fox-Lew Tesna syndicate is believed to be pushing for a lower figure because the Ansett brand has been devalued, and that goodwill and public confidence was falling.

But one source said Tesna has been told "a deal is a deal" by representatives of the administrators, and any lack of confidence in the airline results from Tesna delaying the sale.

Tesna signed a sale contract with the administrators, Mark Mentha and Mark Korda, on November 8, agreeing to pay $270 million cash for the airline.

Tesna has already reduced the amount of staff entitlements it would assume. Cutting staff levels from 4000 to 3000 employees meant it would take over $183 million in entitlement liabilities, instead of $244 million.

The administrators have been running Ansett on a limited-service basis since September 29, hoping to maintain the value of the carrier by selling it as a going concern.

In the October-December period, the airline operational losses incurred by the administrators were estimated at $15 million to $20 million.

But during February those losses have ballooned to at least $6 million a week.

It is also believed a settlement date to complete the Tesna sale was to have been set on Monday night, in time for yesterday's Federal Court hearing.

But no date was set.

The hearing was adjourned and lawyers said legal documentation was incomplete.

Outside court, Mr Korda said the sale was "in the home stretch" and the February 28 deadline was still in place.

No changes have been made to the sale price, he said.

A Tesna spokesman was unavailable for comment last night.


User currently offlineWirraway From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1787 times:

AAP

11:14 AEDST Wed 20 Feb 2002



Ansett frequent flyers to pursue class action

Disgruntled former Ansett frequent flyers have vowed to continue class action against the airline's administrators in a bid to have their points reinstated.

The 2.7 million former frequent flyer members, who lost 67 billion points under the old program when the airline collapsed, were left out of the customer loyalty program announced by the airline's new owner, Tesna, on Tuesday.

Under the new program, Tesna Ansett frequent flyers would receive a one-for-one free-flight offer for future flights, but points accumulated under the old Ansett would not be rewarded.

Global Rewards Action Group (GRAG) spokesman Jon Caneva said they would make one last attempt to convince Ansett's administrators to revalue their points.

"If they're not prepared to assess them on their true value then we'll be going to the Federal Court," he told ABC radio in Melbourne.


Mr Caneva said they had about 1,000 people signed up to the class action already, some of whom had millions of points owing.

Melbourne businessman Andrew Abercrombie accumulated four million points over the past five years, which he estimates are worth hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Mr Abercrombie is part of the class action and has vowed never to fly Ansett again.

"There's absolutely no doubt that we have grounds for such action," he told ABC radio.

Mr Caneva said GRAG had put forward a proposal to the administrators that would deliver benefits to all parties, but it was rejected.

He said the proposal included awarding the points at face value, in return for travellers paying a booking fee between $25 and $50 to redeem them.

"That would put funds into their system, and us the chance to use our points," he said.

"We understand we're not going to get out of this scott-free, we've got to contribute something, and so we'd be able to contribute into their pool.

"The total amount of the 70 billion points at $25 would be in excess of $89 million, so that would put some considerable funds into their pockets immediately."

Mr Caneva said the administrators told them the proposal was not viable because a program was already in place.

Promotional information released on Tuesday referred to the Ansett Frequent Flyer program as Australia's most generous frequent-flyer program during its 12-month introductory period.


©AAP 2002





User currently offlineSixStarAnsett From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1777 times:

Just a personal idea, nobody has to agree with it, but shouldn't some people just accept and support the new ANFF program? If they defect to the Kangaroo, and the stalmark dies, wouldn't it be possible for the kangaroo to have a monopoly on frequent flyer schemes and/or premium service airline flights in Oz? Yeah, that would be a rewarding frequent flyer scheme if only one was operating.

SixStarAnsett


User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1770 times:

Guys,

The class action by FF'ers has nothing to do with Tesna's purchase of AN.

The story about the discount in the purchase of the airline reeks of dirty tricks reporting we have been seeing about all this.

I just went online and completed and application form for the new FF scheme. As a GW member I get my FF scheme fee free, plus 10,000 bonus points immediately as well as another 10,000 bonus points when I next fly AN. After that I receive 2,000 bonus points on every flight I fly till Feb 2003. There is also another bonus to receive for platinum / gold etc.

*yay* Not too shabby, considering most of us expected nothing.

Cheers,

mb

A new star is born.


User currently offlinePerthGloryFan From Australia, joined Oct 2000, 751 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 1735 times:

Uh?
People are paying money to join a scheme that most had already paid to join before?

And furthermore pay money to a business that may or may not commence operations on or about 01 March 2001! (Oh, but they do "promise" to refund your subscription should it not get off the ground - "trust me I'm a wannabe airline operator".)

Hey, I can understand that some feel the need to be positive and show confidence in the proposal, but I'm sorry, I've lost some 100,000 points and have long ago lost patience with shonky business people and their politican mates.

I'll wait until AN III actually flies as a real airline, starts making money, and rejoins Star. Then if the merger/take over with/by Virgin Blue has taken place I might think about it (I have until Feb 2003).

Meanwhile, being a resident of South Singapore I'll stick with Krisflyer - not that flash as a scheme but will most likely still be around in 5 years.

Oh, and the list of nearly 40 Ansett subsidiary companies all "Under Adminstration" on the AN FF info page made for pretty sad reading; was a salutory lesson for the whole shameful episode and shows why the whole damn mess has been so difficult to clean up.

PGF



User currently offlineDalecary From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 1730 times:

Mb,

this does appear to be good news for Tesna but I am still reserved and wondering how their business model will be a money-maker. Without a piece of evidence,I still don't like/trust the manner of either Fox/Lew. This may be completely irrelevant,of course, but they appear very arrogant and unconvincing to me.
I am wondering if a mystery unknown philanthroper is involved here-donating a vast sum of money. Really, I can't see another reason for the smirks on Fox/Lews faces. They don't seem to be in a position warranting such an attitude to me. They are about to be relaunched in a very competitive environment , with 2 fierce rivals. They are entitled to be chuffed about the re-start but should be cautious of the future and wary of the competition.
Cautious optimism would be the go in my book. But,hey good luck to'em anyway.

Dale.


User currently offlineSixStarAnsett From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 1731 times:

PerthGloryFan,

All I can is that I have been a fan of the alpha, then six star service and then the stalmark from 1983 onwards...and I'm sure there are many more like me!

Hail Reg Ansett Rex and Stalmark Regina!



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SixStarAnsett






User currently offlineBLACK BOX From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1716 times:

This scheme is doomed, these points immediatly come to mind.

1. Any low-tier ex ANFFs who have switched to QFFF since 14/09 (and paid $82.50) are not going to want to switch back and pay another $82.50.

2. Deep discount (L Class) flights DO NOT earn points

3. Upgrades are only available from FULL ECONOMY.

4. While the bonuses are big, do you honestly believe AN willl still be around in 6 months when you want to redeem those points. How many delayed start-ups have we seen so far - will there be more ???

5. The corporate sector has given AN the flick and there is no way business travellers are going to take a chance with an airline currently losing $1 million per day, and let's face it, they WILL continue to lose $1 million per day for a very long time.

6. QF can't get their hands on A/C fast enough and they are increasing the size of their already huge QCs, would they be doing this if they were not confident of keeping their 80%+ market share

These are just a few comments from a longtime QC and GW LM who lost heaps of bookings and points on 14/09. I will be staying with QF, sorry AN if you want to use the name ANSETT you must be loyal to those who have been loyal to the ANSETT name in the past - you've ditched 'em and boy they are gonna ditch you too.

BT


User currently offlineWirraway From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1711 times:

ABC News Net
Posted: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 16:03 AEDT

Diners puts contract with Ansett rewards points on hold

Credit card agency Diners Club International, has delayed its decision to enter into a contract involving rewards points with Ansett's prospective buyers.

The Fox-Lew consortium, Tesna, has unveiled its new frequent flyers program.

It will involve all members of the old scheme starting from scratch.

The managing director of Diners Club, Bryan Ericson, says some club members will be happy with the deal.

However, he says it fails to recognise the previous card spending of other members who have not been frequent flyers.

He says the card program involving Diners will remain on hold until the issue is reviewed.

"A lot of our members may have not been in the high category of travelling with Ansett and what they have is built up many hundreds of thousands of points and we believe they deserve a much better offer from the Tesna group," he said.



User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1706 times:

Guys,

There seems to be a lot of bitter ex AN FF point holders out there that are furious they did not receive anything much in return for their thousands of points.

You can look at it certain ways, if they had liquidated AN the FF's probably would have got zilch. This way at least something is being given back. Why should F/L even attempt to recognise any of the former FF's? Do people honestly think it would be wise for them to honor everyones points?

Those of you who wish the new AN ill should realise that F/L are determined that AN will be around for a long time. This can only be good news for the Australian Aviation market.

Whether it suceeds is another thing - but I hope for all Australians sake it does.

mb



User currently offlineTravel From Australia, joined May 2001, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 1696 times:

It is a shame that Previous frequent flyer passengers have lost their points, however the real victims are the employees and those people who have lost money on Ansett.

The main thing is getting the airline back on track and getting some of those employees back to work.

As for the Frequent Flyers, this new option proposed by Fox/Lew is the better option...stop whinging..


User currently offlineHoffa From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 1692 times:

Wow can MX5 ever accept a word of criticism regarding the new AN...Fox and Lewd can do no wrong it seems. I'd call him a company mouthpiece except that there is no company to speak of. Suppose just "mouthpiece" will have to do.

User currently offline'Longreach' From Australia, joined Jul 2001, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 1684 times:


I COULD not believe it when I heard they would not be offering anything. THey basically killed off half of their business!!

Did they realise how many of the 2.7million frequent flyers would be pis*ed off by this decision and vow to never fly them again? All they had to do was to find some way of giving them a better share of their points back which would not send them broke and bam the majority of their customers would be back and loyal as ever.

But no, instead they will slug the ones who are not already discusted with the company and who want to rejoin a few of $75 or whatever.

UNbeleivable!!


User currently offlineWirraway From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1672 times:

AAP:
18:35 AEDST Wed 20 Feb 2002



Tesna denies Ansett sale price squabble

Ansett's prospective new owner denied friction over the airline's $270 million sale price, saying all sale conditions should be completed when the issue returned to the Federal Court on Friday.

The court application, seeking confirmation that all sale conditions had been met, was to have gone ahead on Tuesday but was adjourned after administrators revealed many relevant documents were not complete.

Conditions relating to the transfer of aircraft and airport leases, Tesna's maintenance contract and financial arrangements still "needed to have their Is dotted and Ts crossed", administrators said.

A newspaper report said banking sources believed Tesna principals Lindsay Fox and Solomon Lew were putting pressure on administrator Andersen to lower the sale price by up to $27 million, saying the Ansett brand had been devalued since the sale agreement was signed in November last year.

A Tesna spokesman dismissed the report and said Tesna would not be commenting on any speculation over the sale.

"We are looking forward to closing the sale process," he said.

Administrators said they would not budge on the $270 million cash settlement, agreed to as part of the Tesna sale deal.

The deal also required Tesna take on up to 4,000 staff and assume responsibility for their entitlements, valued at around $244 million.

Tesna now estimates staffing levels will start at 3,000.

This means administrators will need an extra $61 million to pay out the extra 1,000 redundant workers.

A February 28 deadline has been set, the second ultimatum after the initial sale date of January 29 fell through.

Administrator Mark Korda has described the new date as absolute, but said it was up in the air as to what would happen if the deadline could not be met.

In the meantime, the airline continues to lose money.

The $15 million to $20 million loss recorded during the first three months of interim operations, blew out this month as ticket sales slumped and the number of flights was increased to honour Tesna's advertised schedule.

Administrators said they were prepared to lose $6 million a week during February.

They faced further trouble from disgruntled former Ansett frequent flyer club members threatening a class action.

The Global Rewards Action Group, led by frequent flyer and local businessman Jon Caneva, said its 67 billion lost flyer points were worth 10 times the $140 million value placed on them by administrators.

If administrators refused to review their estimate, the former club members would take the matter to the Federal Court and if necessary seek compensation through the administrators' own coffers, he said.

Members' hopes that their points would be transferred across to Tesna's new customer loyalty plan were dashed when the prospective airline owner revealed its new Ansett frequent flyer program.


©AAP 2002


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User currently offlineETA Unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2083 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 1662 times:

Hoffa,
You said it brilliantly!

One further point which nobody has touched on: having been recently burned, most Australian travel agents are unofficially boycotting Ansett- even if they will pay commission.


User currently offlineSkystar From Australia, joined Jan 2000, 1363 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1653 times:

Black Box, you raised a lot of good points.

I'd just like to put a comparison of Ansett Frequent Flyer with other Star Alliance programs. The following situation is based on flying Singapore Airlines in Discount Economy Class (like most people) on the MEL-SIN-FRA route.

To get the top tier on a Star Alliance carrier (one ways), you would need to fly:

* AN Global Rewards/Frequent Flyer Diamond: 31 flights
* NZ Airpoints Gold Elite: 9 flights
* UA Mileage Plus Premier Executive 1K: 10 flights
* AC Aeroplan Super Elite: 10 flights
* SK Eurobonus Gold: 10 flights (5 under some circumstances)
* LH Miles & More Senator: 9 flights
* TG Royal Orchid Plus Gold: 5 flights
* SQ KrisFlyer Elite Gold: 5 flights
* MX Frecuenta Gold: 5 flights
* BD Diamond Club Gold: 4 flights

To get the 'easiest' Star Alliance Gold on the same route:

* AN Global Rewards/Frequent Flyer Platinum: 16 flights
* NZ Airpoints Gold: 6 flights
* UA Mileage Plus Premier Executive: 5 flights
* AC Aeroplan Elite: 4 flights
* SK Eurobonus Gold: 10 flights (5 under some circumstances)
* LH Miles & More Senator: 9 flights
* TG Royal Orchid Plus Gold: 5 flights
* SQ KrisFlyer Elite Gold: 5 flights
* MX Frecuenta Gold: 5 flights
* BD Diamond Club Gold: 4 flights

I'd like to point out that most of Ansett Frequent Flyer is actually from Ansett Global Rewards. I don't care about my frequent flyer points, but a good program is a good step forward, and I know I want Ansett to prosper and stay with us for the long run.

Now, everyone here knows I love Ansett  Smile Nothing like a bit of constructive criticism.

Cheers,

Justin


User currently offlineTravel From Australia, joined May 2001, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1620 times:

Most travel agents have boycotted selling Ansett.

As much as I like to see the new AN up and running, I will only begin to sell them once they are sold.


User currently offlineSixStarAnsett From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1615 times:

I agree with Travel:

"......however the real victims are the employees......"

Totally. Instead of whinging and moaning about the points you lost {why the heck didn't you use them anyway, that is what they are meant for! But instead you keep thousands and millions of points just so you could pretend to be someone more important because you hoard f.f. points} think about the people who are paying off homes, supporting families, paying credit card bills, paying for electricty and/or gas and/or petrol and food and paying for the GST and rates on their house properties not to mention other bills! Those people gave years of service to the star and have practically nothing and probably virtually no money or new prospects! Instead of whinging about how your "fingers got burned" think about the people who were engulfed in a ball of flame.

SixStarAnsett {infinite}  Pissed


User currently offlineWirraway From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1583 times:

Thurs "Sydney Morning Herald"

Ansett sale so close: now how about a discount?

By Darren Goodsir, Transport Writer

Ansett's prospective owners first had to push back the sale deadline.

Faced with a mountain of paperwork, and complex legal deals, administrators Mark Mentha and Mark Korda begrudgingly agreed to postpone the sale and absorb losses of more than $1 million a day ... just to keep the deal alive.

It meant Tesna missed the financial pain of launching a new business in the worst month in the Australian aviation calendar.

Then came the dramatic slashing of 1000 jobs.

With the surprise announcement that only 3000 workers would be required to fly their 29 planes across 11 routes, Tesna's principals, Solomon Lew and Lindsay Fox, saved $61 million in pledged entitlements.

Now, after acrimony, twists and claims the deal was unravelling, Mr Lew and Mr Fox have produced another surprise - just 24 hours before the Federal Court is scheduled to formally approve Ansett's sale, and in the middle of a public row over the airline's revived frequent flyer scheme.

The canny Melbourne business pair want a discount.

According to sources close to the deal, Mr Lew and Mr Fox are pushing for a 5 to 15 per cent cut on the $270 million they agreed to last November. That is a $15 million to $40 million saving.

What's more, the pair are blaming the administrators for much of the delay, saying the problems in securing the assignment of Ansett's Sydney terminal lease had led to the brand being tarnished. It had also discouraged potential ticket sales.

A spokesman for the Tesna syndicate yesterday denied suggestions the discount was being sought. However, numerous sources confirmed the haggling.

"There are some discussions, albeit around the edges of the deal. But at the end of the day there will be an agreement in line with sound commercial objectives," the insider said.

The administrators refused to talk on the deal's progress, but they are clearly in an invidious position, having racked up $20 million so far this month to keep Tesna at the table. Each day, returns to creditors decline.

If the airline is offloaded, they get 5¢ in the dollar. But if the deal founders, they get nothing - and may well face the wrath of creditors.

With Tesna still talking to Virgin Blue on commercial partnerships - from an "Ansett Blue" merger to sharing terminals - there may be another surprise in the offing. And there is just a week before time runs out.
-------------------------------------------------------Thurs "Herald Sun"

Ansett administrators hold firm
By Steve Creedy, Aviation writer
February 21, 2002

ANSETT'S administrators vowed yesterday they would not give in to an 11th-hour attempt by Lindsay Fox and Solomon Lew to screw down the struggling airline's price by a reported $27 million.


A spokesman for the administrators confirmed the Fox-Lew Tesna consortium was trying to lower the $270 million cash price for the airline.

But he said the administrators would hold Mr Fox and Mr Lew to the original deal signed on November 8.

"It's like selling a house and somebody coming up after the auction and saying that's not what I want to pay for it," the spokesman said.

"The administrators' attitude is they struck a deal with Tesna for a certain price and that is (the) price. So they won't be shifting."

Any move to lower the sale price would also lower the payout of up to 5c in the dollar expected by unsecured creditors.

Administrators Mark Korda and Mark Mentha yesterday met Mr Fox to discuss the latest hiccup in an already tortuous deal.

Delays in the deal mean Tesna has already avoided the worst airline trading month of the year.

Ansett is expected to lose at least $24 million during February. Some unconfirmed estimates put the losses at more than $40 million.

Tesna has also reduced by $61 million the liabilities it is accepting because it would employ only 3000 staff instead of 4000.

Despite the cheeky last-minute deal, the administrators still expect to nail down the sale and set a settlement date in the Federal Court, likely to be February 28.

Ansett is widely expected to relaunch on March 1 and said yesterday its call centres had received thousands of queries after announcing on Tuesday a new frequent flyer scheme.

The scheme does not recognise lost points but offers bonuses for former Global Rewards members who rejoin and fly with the airline.

However, it has raised the level of points needed to redeem tickets on some flights.

A Sydney-Melbourne return flight which could be redeemed for 17,000 points now costs 20,000 and a Sydney-Perth trip available for 30,000 points now requires 35,000.

The Global Rewards Action Group, which is seeking immediate talks with the administrators about increasing the $140 million value assigned to almost $70 billion in rewards points has rejected the new scheme as inadequate.

"Obviously, if they don't come to the party we will be going to the federal Court to get a class action done," action group spokesman Jon Caneva said.







User currently offlineMarara From Australia, joined Oct 2001, 678 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1561 times:

They should have offered free member ship to the old GW members at least.

NZ offered free membership to GW members when AN fell over.

I agree with BLACKBOX, We (my family) were all GW members, we lost all our points, now we have joind QF and NZ (for free) we would probably have rejoined AN and dumped the NZ card if it were free but we are not going to pay another 80 odd dollars.

QF has the better scheme (over NZ) so we travel QF, and untill NZ fix their scheme or AN has free membership we will continue doing so (even though i would prefer to fly AN).



I like work: it fascinates me. I can sit and look at it for hours. Jerome K Jerome
User currently offlineSkystar From Australia, joined Jan 2000, 1363 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week ago) and read 1541 times:

Marara,

Old GW members have free Frequent Flyer membership & have had their memberships extended 6 months.

Cheers,

Justin


User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week ago) and read 1544 times:

Marara,

I guess many people feel the same way, except for those of us that don't have to pay the new fee for the FF's program.

Initial take up will show Tesna who they are attracting and who they are not. Then they may relax the cost price for *new* customers if they are not attracting any.

I joined One World through BA as I did not want to pay QF's charges.

Cheers,

MJE


25 Marara : F/L are going to have to get the banks back on side because a lot of people will stay with QF because they get points through their credit cards. It m
26 Post contains images Marara : Opps, i have just noticed that i typed GW instead of GR
27 GuyBetsy1 : Travel agents did not really boycott Ansett but rather it was the other way round. AN II did not list itself in any computer reservations systems, and
28 Post contains images Air Taiwan : Think of it this way. IF F/L gave back all the points to the members, common sense would tell you that most (if not all) members would just ring up an
29 Mx5_boy : Jimmy, I don't know how you can join the new golden wing. I would suggest you use AN's help line an find out. Those of us that loved AN for all it off
30 Post contains images Skystar : Gee, I hope my posts bagging AN FF aren't worrying you I hope I don't need to prove my AN credentials, hahah. Cheers, Justin
31 Post contains images Trentis : I agree that everyone should stop their whinging - FLEW have a business to run, and have invested millions upon millions of dollars to create a busine
32 Post contains images Skystar : Can't I whinge about the program It's not the points, but the actual program I'm just worried about the chances for any future innovation, when the cu
33 BLACK BOX : Firsty, let me say that I want AN to survive just like the rest of you, but hey, let's get realistic. If its going to be so easy to rack up these huge
34 Marara : Aussies do support the underdog, but they arent stupid. Aussies have been stung twice by collapsing airlines Compass and AN. You cant blame us for bei
35 Mx5_boy : Marara, Yes Aussies have been stung by AN. ""The old AN."" See my point? mb
36 ETA Unknown : I, for one, do NOT see the point! Memories, of Compass 1 & 2...
37 Mx5_boy : ETA-Unkown, The former AN was nothing like Compass I or II and neither is the new AN. Making such comparisons is ridiculous. mb A new star is born..
38 Travel : Travel agents did not have access to AN II until mid December 01, so yes AN did boycott travel agents until then. Once access to AN was availbale ,som
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