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Bwia 747....who Did This?  
User currently offlineInbound From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2001, 849 posts, RR: 2
Posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3193 times:

fess up.....cuz we know it's not real.....


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User currently offlineB747ca From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 677 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3058 times:

Uhhhh, the photographer maybe


ma va funk ulo
User currently offlineETA Unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2067 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3034 times:

It's real. During the 80's BWIA used to charter capacity in for Christmas vacationers (only for a few weeks).

Once saw an Arrow Air DC-10 operating one of their services out of JFK.



User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2968 times:

You mean if you dont know about it, its fake ??

User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10584 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks ago) and read 2889 times:

Its real. I have slide of this aircraft flying at home.

User currently offlineYoeri1970 From Netherlands, joined Feb 2001, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2875 times:

Uhm.......looks very real to me and I like it... Smile/happy/getting dizzy
BWIA flying a B747....cool


User currently offlineLGW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2768 times:

Imagine it in their new cls  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Ooooooo, tasty!

LGW


User currently offline9Y-ISA From Trinidad and Tobago, joined May 2001, 222 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2749 times:

Yeh Inbound this one is real. I knew they leased a B747 years ago and I was waiting to see a picture of it. I saw it on a site quite a while back. Nice site by the way. It gives you a good update of fleets for any airline from past to present. Here is the link:
http://aerotransport.free.fr/index.html?Airlines/a106487


User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 8, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2709 times:

Look, the screeners have much better trained eyes than you, so leave it up to their judgement to decide whether a photo is fake or not (which this clearly ISN'T). Its not easy to fake a photo, and if someone did, it'd not be up to A.net standards anyway..

User currently offlineMikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 54
Reply 9, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2683 times:

EGGD,

Actually, it is easy to fake a photo if you know what you're doing. Especially if it's just adding a title on a non-titled aircraft...not that I would ever do it.

Michael


User currently offlineWoodsboy From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1029 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2662 times:

Okay- it really does look real except that................
LX-LCV is the current registration for one of their 747-400Fs so I dont know if they perhaps recycled on old reg which seems unlikely (to me) since all their -400Fs have regs in sequence. If this was a cargolux aircraft, why is there no cargo door? It would seem to be rather useless as a freighter without a cargo door! One more thing that bothers me a little is, why would an airline lease a freighter from an all air cargo company to carry passengers? Of course, from the photo we see that this aircraft is not a freighter so, it makes me doubt that its a Cargolux aircraft.


User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 11, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2643 times:

Well, its not a 747-400F because it doesn't have winglets.. and the 744F is a dedicated freighter, that has no windows so I guess this not LX-LCV. Looks like he might've guessed the registration.

It does say its ex-American, and Cargolux operate a large amount of converted 747-100's, so it must be a mistake with the registration. As well as this looks like part AA scheme.


User currently offlineWoodsboy From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1029 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2627 times:

As far as I know, Cargolux never operated any 747-100s, they had all -200s before they went to buying new -400Fs.

The reg in the picture is not clear, but before I even read the caption on the picture I concluded that it said LX-LCV which immediately raised a red flag with me. I use to work with Cargolux here in Fairbanks and I knew that LX-LCV was one of their -400s, I have been on that plane! I see no reason why Cargolux would recycle reg. numbers so my guess is that this pic is not for real.


User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 13, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2622 times:

Its getting weird, caus the Cargolux Classic747's were 747-200C's (thx Woodsboy), with passenger windows BUT with the 742's they have the row of windows on the Upper deck, whereas the 747 in that picture is clearly a 747-100 with the 3 windows on the upper deck.

Can anyone say for sure what is going on!?!


User currently offlineQatar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2608 times:

If you look at the registration in http://aerotransport.free.fr

http://aerotransport.free.fr/index.html?Airlines/a31146

It looks like Cargolux recycle a lot of registrationsAnd also according to http://aerotransport.free.fr Cargolux operated at least 5 B747-123 and they leased 2 B747-200s (pax) from boeing


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7359 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2604 times:
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It's a real photo with the correct registration. Looking at my Jetliner Production list, I find:

LX-LCV 20105/77 ex N9666 which was leased by Cargolux 2nd July 1986, sub-leased to Iran Air 10th July 1986 and returned to Cargolux 20th September 1986. It
was sub-leased to Air Inter in April 1987.

We in MAN saw LX-FCV and LX-GCV operating to the Caribbean on a regular basis in 1986 and 1987 using Trans Jamaica Airlines and International Caribbean flight numbers but the planes were operated by Lionair, which, I believe, was a passenger-carrying subsidiary of Cargolux at the time.

David/MAN


User currently offlineInbound From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2001, 849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2536 times:

ahhh
I stand corrected then !!
I must admit though, the BWIA on the side looks at though someone cropped it from another picture and pasted it onto this 747.

but thanks for all the informative responses Big grin



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User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6275 posts, RR: 34
Reply 17, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2523 times:

Now my brain hurts. LX-LCV was, as David said, a -123 operated by Cargolux. It was leased to Air Inter in March of 1987 for a short time. By the date on the picture, it must have been wet-leased to BWIA the whole time. I'd never heard of it though. I guess I need to pull out the old OAGs and check.


Don't take life so seriously, you are going to die soon anyway.
User currently offline9y-isa From Trinidad and Tobago, joined May 2001, 222 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2499 times:

Inbound, it's RB211 here, I see how some other members of this forum believe that they are the advanced aircraft photo specialists. What Can I say, we not up to them standard  Smile
I see how easy it is to doubt something like this. A few months ago 9Y-ISA sent me a photo of a DC-10 in BWIA new colours..reg. was 9Y-DC10 or something. It looked pretty damned real to me. The ONLY way I knew it was not real was that well, we know the guys at BWIA don't even want to hear the word DC-10 and no way would they waste $$ to paint a DC-10 in new colours. ESP. since we follow BWIA fleet changes everyday and heard nothing of it. Anyways I saw your reply about my birthday to my sis..man you real jokey yes!! Oh my PPL should be done this week, Wx permitting, but CPL ground school started last week.


User currently offline9Y-ISA From Trinidad and Tobago, joined May 2001, 222 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2441 times:

It was registered 9Y-TEN!!!

User currently offlinePatroni From Luxembourg, joined Aug 1999, 1403 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2418 times:

About Cargolux and passenger aircraft : In the past, Cargolux used to operate passenger aircraft with their subsidiary "Lion Air".
There were also passenger 747 operated for the Hajj flights to Mecca and for a number of other carriers.

Right now, Cargolux has a fleet of 11 747-400F's, LX-FCV, GCV, ICV (the prototype which was original planned for AF...), KCV, LCV, MCV, NCV, OCV, PCV, RCV and SCV... TCV is due to arrive later this year. Nevertheless several registrations are "recycled". There have been for example several FCV's..... So just because you don't see a Cargolux -100 or -200 nowadays does not mean that it never existed!

For more information check Oli Sigurdsson's page about the CL-44, but also about the aircraft in 30 years of Cargolux service :

http://www.cl44.com

Best regards,

Tom



User currently offlinePatroni From Luxembourg, joined Aug 1999, 1403 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2417 times:

Forgot to add : you will find this specific 747-100 here as well, wearing the BWIA colors... so is still anyone speaking of a fake?!?

http://www.cl44.com/cargolux/cvdetail2.asp?ID=44

Tom


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