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User currently offlineGF-A330 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Posted (12 years 10 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1814 times:

PIA to buy 7 used aircraft

A high-level meeting here on Thursday allowed the PIA authorities to purchase seven second-hand aircraft for which the US Export and Import (EXIM) Bank will also provide considerable funding.

Informed sources told Dawn that the meeting, presided over by Finance Minister Shaukat Aziz and attended by Chairman and Managing Director of the PIA, representatives of EXIM Bank and the Overseas Private Investment Corporation, approved the purchase of four Boeing 777 and three A-310 Airbus planes.

The seven aircraft, to be purchased by the PIA, will be "freshly used" and will not be very old.

Sources said the meeting was of the view that PIA should gradually replace its old fleet so that there was no major funding problem.



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User currently offlineGF-A330 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (12 years 10 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1640 times:

Which airline is selling "freshly used" 777's and A310s ??

User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 10 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1630 times:

Apparently, BA are selling some 777s. These are about 5 yrs old. For PIA, that would be "fresh," given their geriatric fleet.

User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (12 years 10 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1621 times:

BA, and maybe UA.

User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (12 years 10 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1618 times:

...and the two 777s of Air Europe are on the market, too.

User currently offlineLindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3131 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (12 years 10 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1606 times:
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This is good news. Hope that PIA is able to dispose of some of the older members of its fleet when it takes delivery of the new aircraft.

User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 10 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1596 times:

At least this makes some economical sence from a PIA/ Pakistan viewpoint.

Poor country's buying the newest most expensive aircraft always mak me laugh .. and sad for the big(hungry/ un-educated/ powerless) populations ...

Hope it won't be 4 totally different 777's

keesje


User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 10 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1566 times:

Lauda don't want their 777's either, and the third one is coming soon !!

User currently offlineQatar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 10 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1549 times:

I am really happy to hear about this order. With the new aircraft PIA will likely increase it's profitability. I still think 4 B777 are not enough they need at least 2 more.

GF-A330

-Will the new A310-300's replace the A300s?
-Are these aircraft gifts from the Pakistani or US governements (repayment for war in afghanistan) or will they be payed for by PIA.



User currently offlineBa777-236 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 674 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (12 years 10 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1484 times:

So I guess this means that PIA are no longer interested in Ba's 744's.....Or are they??


I like British Airways! I'm not sure why, but I do! ;-)
User currently offlineAamd11 From UK - Wales, joined Nov 2001, 1061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (12 years 10 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1434 times:

There are several sources for the triple 7s, the A310s??? well they could be, and prbably are European based, although there are some ex-C3 / Royal aircraft knocking around i guess.
The triple 7s... well, they could buy two from BA, and the Air Europe ones... cos they all have GE90s... if they were from UA, then they would likely buy 4 of them.. so they all have PW. I dont think there are any unused RR ones available, or are there????

We will soon see who has sold some a/c.
Im interested in the A310s, or at least where they came from.


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 10 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1428 times:

Keesje -

Actually it makes perfect sense for a poor country to buy the latest aircraft - they're fuel efficient, break down less often, establish a viable source of income, etc etc. As far as the hungry, powerless populations in these countries are concerned, they're irrelevant to fleet plans, much in the same way that an ageing population is irrelevant to a country's investment in high speed telecom services, the internet, etc. A country like Pakistan has a huge middle class - I'd say about 20-30 million strong - who travel overseas for business, pleasure, work, etc. There is an enormous Pakistani presence in the Middle East, not all of whom are day laborers, but who are white collar professionals. Add to it, the nearly 1 million strong community in the UK, and another 400,000 or so in the United States (who tend to be stolidly middle to upper middle class), and you have a perfectly viable source of passengers who demand new aircraft and good service.

Look at Ethiopian Airlines - during 20 years of civil war, a repressive communist regime, famine, etc, they ran a fabulous airline with the latest aircraft, service to rival any upper echelon European carrier, and made money to boot - which is more than I can say of many other airlines who bleed cash even in the best of times while offering churlish service.


User currently offline9V-SVE From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 2066 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (12 years 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1406 times:

I can't imagine what the 777 interiors look like. Comparable to Aeroflot.

User currently offlineLMML 14/32 From Malta, joined Jan 2001, 2565 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (12 years 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1402 times:

What about the Emirates A310's?
How "fresh" can an A310 be anyway?


User currently offline9V-SVE From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 2066 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (12 years 10 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1398 times:

Jaysit, MH has several RR powered 777s on sale.

User currently offlineRaggi From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 1005 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (12 years 10 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1375 times:

Aamd11, Air Europe 777s are Pratt- powered.


raggi



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User currently offlineGF-A330 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (12 years 10 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1350 times:

Hi all

I've just been speaking to a PIA employee and he says that PK are currently interested in BA, CX and UAs 777s.

CX and UA are the most probable. CX already lease there 743's to PIA. So they might get a good deal.


User currently offlineBa777-236 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 674 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (12 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1319 times:

"Aamd11" I just checked Bill Harms website and it said that Royal's/C3's A310 are actually quite old (14 years!) which would make them older than PIA's current fleet. I'm not sure if Singapore Airlines A310's are for sale, but they are quite new
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It sure will be interesting to see which used planes Pia does buy!



I like British Airways! I'm not sure why, but I do! ;-)
User currently offline9V-SVE From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 2066 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (12 years 10 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1304 times:

Yup, SQ has it's whole fleet of A310s on sale. They have 13.

User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (12 years 10 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1299 times:

Its a buyers market and PIA should order right now to take advantage

User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (12 years 10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1257 times:

So whats going to happen to the 747-300 now?

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.....up there with the best!
User currently offlineSouthside From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (12 years 10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1253 times:

Does this good news mean that Glasgow will soon be welcoming PIA on a scheduled basis?

User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (12 years 10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1254 times:


Hi!

Keeping the tradition in the past when PIA leased and then purchased 2 TAP 747-282 ( CS-TJC and TJD ), and knowing that TAP will soon start to get rid of their A310's to replace them by the A330-200's PIA could opt for these extremely well maintained A310's.
Regards


User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (12 years 10 months 12 hours ago) and read 1202 times:

According to the local news an EXIM bank executive interviewed on TV said that they were trying to get Boeing to sell brand new 777s to PIA.


.....up there with the best!
User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (12 years 10 months 12 hours ago) and read 1203 times:

What is the longest range route PIA fly?

25 Airmale : I think its Toronto-Karachi.
26 Donder10 : I was thinking that too.they currently use a 310 via Manchester I think so maybe the BA's 772s are a good idea
27 Airmale : I think the Manchester-Toronto service has been stopped due to shortage of aircraft for Copenhagen now the service is Copenhagen-Toronto with the A310
28 GF-A330 : Hi PIA are to return 2 743s to Cathay Pacific and will purchase the two remaining. Also, the F-27 is also to be phased out, due to orders given by CAA
29 Keesje : " Actually it makes perfect sense for a poor country to buy the latest aircraft (......) As far as the hungry, powerless populations in these countri
30 Ba777-236 : "PIA are to return 2 743s to Cathay Pacific and will purchase the two remaining." "GF-A330" Does this mean that PIA is also in the hunt for some 747-4
31 Donder10 : Perhaps some BA 744s-they are just about the best maintained planes around
32 Bigmo747 : Pia Has 5 743's, if they are supposedly buying 2, returning 2, what will be the fate of the 5th?? Pia are totally clueless, and if those "best maintai
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