Rick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (13 years 3 months 23 hours ago) and read 1452 times:
I am in the UK and so my comments may not (and probably will not) be applicable in other parts of the world.
1. Only if the pilot remains in the same airline. Your position on a seniorty list will determine the number of stripes on your shoulder.
But we have many First Officers on our 757/767 aircraft who have been Captain of a Dash 8 / Fokker 50, even Embrear 145 in the past, with different airlines. That does not qualify them for Captaincy on a 757. In fact many airlines in the UK do not accept direct-entry Captains and so only promote exisiting pilots to 4-bars. Monarch Airlines is an example. If you moved to MON therefore, you would become a First Officer regardless of your present rank or aircraft type.
2. My airline only operates one fleet type (757/767) so this does not apply as all pilots are dual-rated. In BA I think after 5 years or so 737 service a pilot may bid for a fleet change (i.e. go onto longhaul on the 772/744) or opt to stay on the shorthaul 737 fleet and get a promotion to Captain. Financially, there is little difference, but the lifestyle is completely different. Long-term prospects are also better with the widebodies (financially).
3. Not necessarily, in the UK at least. Although generally speaking yes. In the past BA have taken several cadet pilots (sponsored with no airline experience) straight onto the 757 after training (therefore bypassing the 737 and A320 fleets in aircraft size). It all depends where they need pilots, but they will try to aim for the smaller types.
Hope this was of some interest.
I used to love the smell of Jet-A in the morning...
UALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 3 months 22 hours ago) and read 1434 times:
I ahve a friend who is a captain for NWAirlink, He stayed a captain with the Saab until his senority was high enough to switch over to CRJ as a Captain. So at Airlink and most US airlines moving is totally based on senority. However I'm sure pilots will correct me if I'm wrong.
Max Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5336 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (13 years 3 months 22 hours ago) and read 1417 times:
Generally, once a Captain always a Captain, due to the seniority system your first left seat is usually in the smallest and lowest paying aircraft.
As positions on larger and better paying aircraft become available, seniority permitting he can move up to these as a Captain unless for some reason he might decide to forgo the left seat in order to fly as a senior First officer on a widebody with a much better schedule.
in the event of cutbacks he might have to move back to the right seat.Seniority is everything including the initial Captains seat which only becomes available when you have accumulated enough.
The best contribution to safety is a competent Pilot.
AA717driver From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1566 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (13 years 3 months 19 hours ago) and read 1387 times:
With the seniority system, you can wait to bid Captain on a large aircraft or jump at the first opportunity(which may or may not be the smallest aircraft in the fleet). A spot on the MD80 may open up before the F100--although not a normal situation. You may delay upgrading to get a better base. The New York area is genarally junior for most airlines. SFO is(or was) pretty junior for UAL. MIA is junior for AA.
It's a money vs. quality of life issue. A friend bid back voluntarily from F100 CA to MD11 F/O a few years ago. He took a pay cut but he works 9 days a month versus 15 or more for narrow body CA.