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The New PanAM  
User currently offlineLMML 14/32 From Malta, joined Jan 2001, 2565 posts, RR: 6
Posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2603 times:

Can I have some details about the new PanAM? What aircraft and routes do they operate? How large is the airline? And what is it's status? What is the significance of the great name in this airline?

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User currently offlineUK_Dispatcher From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2001, 2582 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2257 times:

www.iflypanam.com

User currently offlineLMML 14/32 From Malta, joined Jan 2001, 2565 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2221 times:

Thanks. The address is http://www.flypanam.com/.
How many planes does PA have? Are they the original PA aircraft?


User currently offlineLowfareair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2197 times:

Do a search. There was a ton of info given within the last coupla' weeks about Pan Am, and nothing new since them from what I know.

User currently offlinePacificflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 382 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2182 times:

Currently Pan Am operates 7 727-200s, which I think more will me delivered each month. They recently purchased 24 727-200s from United Airlines, along with two simulators. The recently delivered aircrafts will be used "out side the United States." The Pan Am Clipper Connection operates; I don't know how many, Jetstream J31s. Yes, like Lowfareair said, you should do a search, there are great deal about it! Also the site www.flypanam.com should already have some answers to you about the goal and the name.

User currently onlinePHX Flyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2114 times:

Pan Am currently operates 7 Boeing 727-200, some of which did indeed belong to the original company. Their wholly-owned regional affilliate, Boston-Maine Airways, aka Clipper Connection owns 10 J31, only a few of which fly scheduled services at this time. The remainder of the Jetstream fleet will be deployed over time. Planned routes include the Canadian Maritimes and some cities in Florida, Naples and the Keys amongst others.
By midsummer th mainline plans to have 22 727s in service. What routes they will expand to is anybody's guess at tis time, but MIA-SJU and SFB-FPO are most likely two of them. Hope this helps.


User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6179 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2095 times:

The SFB-MIA-SJU route was scheduled to begin a couple of months ago but I guess after 9-11 they have pushed the startup date , or maybe even cancelled their plans to start the route.
Chepos



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User currently offlineLMML 14/32 From Malta, joined Jan 2001, 2565 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2055 times:

Is this 707 actually parked beneath the roof?

http://www.panamhistory.com/panam1.htm

(sorry was unable to print just the picture)

Does anybody here remember this terminal in JFK? Is it still there?


User currently offlineDC10Tony From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1012 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2050 times:

I work at SFB, but not for Pan Am.

From what I've seen on the ramp, Pan Am is a pretty good airline. The inside of the planes are neat, clean and smell pretty good. They give you a good amount of food for the flight and their 727-200s have winglets.

Their ground crew always seems to be getting the planes out on time and their mechanics are good also.

I think the reason why this Pan Am is so successful is because they're using the real Pan Am's name.

But all-in-all, they're pretty good.


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4792 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1987 times:
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By all accounts, their inflight service is great - friendly and efficient flight attendants, fresh-cut flowers in the lavs, 36-37in seat pitch, etc. Their key problem is the mechanical delays with their small fleet of 727-200s (some delays have ranged up to 12 hours while waiting for parts, etc.) I belive that one of the reasons for the purchase from UAL of the 24 72s is to address this problem and have enough spares around.

User currently offlineLMML 14/32 From Malta, joined Jan 2001, 2565 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1948 times:

Flowers in the lavs and 36-37 inches seat pitch? Is that in all classes? This means that the planes don't carry more than 130 or so pax.

User currently offlinePacificflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 382 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks ago) and read 1935 times:

"Pan Am is determined to bring comfort, convenience and civility to passengers. Pan Am’s fleet of Boeing 727’s have been reconfigured from 173 to 149 seats, allowing passengers more legroom and comfort. Warm scented towels are distributed prior to the in-flight service, which is carried-out via trays, eliminating carts that may block the aisles." This info from the site explains it all for you LmmL 14/32



User currently offlineExusair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 684 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1901 times:

I had a friend who flew them recently from Sanford to BWI.

There was no food on the flight. They got a cookie for the 2 hour flight.

There are no carryon bags allowed.

The plane was 4 hours late. When he asked the gate agent when the plane could be expected, they didn't know where the plane was or when it would arrive.

Flowers in the lav? They might have done that at some point.

149 seats? DL operates their 727's with 148 seats. There is only 1 class of service on PA. There is only a nominal amount of extra room between rows of seats.


User currently offlineLowfareair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1883 times:

>>There was no food on the flight. They got a cookie for the 2 hour flight.<<

That's a lot better than the peanuts they give ya on DL

>>There are no carryon bags allowed.<<

That has sped up the boarding and debaording time considerably, plus people getting pulled for random searches don't have to have their bags checked.

>>The plane was 4 hours late. When he asked the gate agent when the plane could be expected, they didn't know where the plane was or when it would arrive.<<

The gate agent probably didn't know either b/c it was an agent for another airline Pan Am contracted out, or he was new, as Pan Am just came into BWI.

>>Flowers in the lav? They might have done that at some point.<<

Did your friend say that there weren't any or that he didn't go to the bathroom?

>>149 seats? DL operates their 727's with 148 seats. There is only 1 class of service on PA. There is only a nominal amount of extra room between rows of seats.<<

There are several parts to this:

You are forgetting that the first class seats have less seats per row(4) than coach(6). That eliminates one of the three first class rows(3 rows of 4 on DL are 2 rows of 6 on Pan Am.), and gives about 38" to add extra legroom. With the extra 7" from the other rows(make pitch down to 31" instead of 38"), there is 52".

Then add the space for the galley/lavatory that won't be between the classes on Pan Am(Shown on the DL 72S seat map) and that will be at least 36", so we are up to 88".

I also don't think that the F closet/whatever that is on the right side of row 1 and 2 is there, that's an extra F row, so another 38", and we are up to 126". Now divide that by 25 rows in the Clipper jet, and you have your extra five inches.


User currently offlineLMML 14/32 From Malta, joined Jan 2001, 2565 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1829 times:

...the in-flight service, which is carried-out via trays, eliminating carts that may block the aisles....

This is a quote from PanAm's web site. I am surprised that there are still airlines with such a mentality. personally I do not think that hand service is more personalised and frees the aisles. There are more FA's literally running around the cabin with armfuls of trays (perhaps 5 or more at a time). Such a service is hurried and dangerous and there is certainly nothing more personalised than trolley service which makes in flight service quicker and smoother.


User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2896 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1777 times:
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I am surprised that there are still airlines with such a mentality.

Ever hear of Southwest? This is how they do it... MUCH nicer if you ask me...


User currently offlinePacificflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 382 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1746 times:

As hectic as you may think, once when I flew with this Pan Am, there were none of that. Everything was ever so smooth and so personal. it almost feel like the flight attendent brought the tray out just for you and your travelling mates. As soon as the plane took off, the flight attendent came around the cabin with a small note pad and a pen, come to ask you specifically what you would like to drink. Then in a moment they brought it out to you on a tray.


User currently onlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32191 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1738 times:

Just wanted to say jetBlue is also food cart-free. They take drink orders and serve passengers with trays and snacks are served from a basket the FA carriers around, and from my experience, it is easier, faster, and more convienent. Plus, the FA's are not in a rush pouring drinks and blocking the asiles. A great idea.


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User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1732 times:

An earlier poster asked if the Pan Am 707 was parked beneath the roof. It was. The terminal was before jetways so planes pulled up close to the terminal and under that canopy so pax could be protected from rain and snow. It was a smart idea for the time.

That terminal (Pan Am WorldPort) is still at JFK and has been renamed Terminal 3 it and a newer built addition behind it and Terminal 2 comprise the DL operations at Kennedy. There were plans a year ago to tear down Terminal 3, but they seem to be going nowhere in the current state of the industry.

It is not landmarked but there has been some efforts to do so.

TNNH


User currently offlineONT 737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1707 times:

Whats up with the no carry on bags pollicy? Are you allowed to bring a laptop computer? Do they not have x-ray machines at their airports?


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User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6179 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1702 times:

I have some friends who flew Pan Am and they said that the only carry on permitted is a woman's hand bag but men aren't permitted carry on . I think that's a big disadvantaged I would never check in my laptop and there are just somethings you need to carry on .
Chepos



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User currently offlineMilemaster From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1054 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1689 times:

It's pretty self explanatory what they intend to do with these new 722's. If you look at their bizarre route structure, every city they fly to pretty much goes on to San Juan.

Latin America fondly remembers Pan Am.

It's going to be interesting to watch what path they follow.


User currently offlineLMML 14/32 From Malta, joined Jan 2001, 2565 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1654 times:

Going back to the cart-free service: How many FA's on each PanAm flight? Someone said snacks are served during the flight. Now there is a difference between serving a full hot meal on a tray and simply going round with snacks.

User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4265 posts, RR: 34
Reply 23, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1649 times:

I did a trip report on them in december (a Sanford-Gary flight) Indeed the no carry on luggage policy is annoying. You are allowed to hold a book, walkman or magazine in your hand but not too nice if you take a long flight, and without IFE or meals. But they have special crates for the stuff which you'd like as carry on, which they handle with care and bring in the cabin, so a laptap must be safe in it.
and indeed, I rather had a meal and a cart than the cookie without.



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User currently offlineLMML 14/32 From Malta, joined Jan 2001, 2565 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1638 times:

MEA-707 do you remember how many fa's were on the flight? Can you give me a link to your trip report please?

25 Panamair : The following is taken directly from their website at http://www.flypanam.com regarding carryons. Looks like they may have changed their minds regardi
26 LMML 14/32 : All that sounds very normal. The regulation size for hand luggage is 45 inches Length + breadth + Width. The discretion bit is dodgy. Perhaps that mig
27 Lowfareair : >>Someone said snacks are served during the flight. Now there is a difference between serving a full hot meal on a tray and simply going round with sn
28 MEA-707 : Hi LMML. There were 3 F/A's on my flight. The 149 seat number isn't coincidental; now they can stay within the 1 attendant-for-every-50 pax rule. We h
29 Lowfareair : The 149 is there in case a flight attendant is sick/no-show/whatever. Then they can leave with only 3 and have no delay.
30 ONT 737 : With their carry on bag policy you could fit everything (small briefcase, small purse etc.) under the seat in front of you. If this is the case, I gue
31 JonPaulGeoRngo : That has sped up the boarding and debaording time considerably, plus people getting pulled for random searches don't have to have their bags checked.
32 Post contains images PHX Flyer : Today's issue of the 'portsmouth Herald has a piece on Pan Am' impending expansion of service. It indirectly confirms our assumption that the new mark
33 Mah4546 : And where will this Latin American expansion take place? MIA or FLL I would hope.
34 A/c dxer : Sanford, florida they are already based out of there.
35 Chepos : I had heard something about them wanting to start a sort of caribbean hub in some Dominican airport and I would also guess they will operate Latin Ame
36 Mah4546 : Where would they fly from Sanford? The demand is hardly there. Sanford currently has twice-weekly Aeropostal service to Caracas. MIA/FLL-CCS offer muc
37 Theiler : I'll be keeping my eyes open at PSM for these birds.. There aren't too many places that they can hide them at the airport.
38 Chepos : They might have the flights originate in SFB and stop at this misterious new Latin America hub and from there they will serve these new Latin cities .
39 Thomacf : Does Sanford have a large enough terminal space and enough gates to handle a hub operation?
40 A/c dxer : SFB is there major hub from what I understand. Could be wrong. But one thing about sfb it is easy to get in and out of.
41 Ual777contrail : wonder if they will expand eastward? hope they do, so some of us can see them in colorado. they had one of their 727's in cos about a year ago. should
42 MEA-707 : Sanford is a pretty big airport. When I took my Pan Am flight to Gary, it was deserted, but I'm sure it can handle at least 10 jets in the same time.
43 A/c dxer : You are correct sfb can handle that amount of airplane you should see it on saturdays when they are real busy they do an excellent job of getting thos
44 Milemaster : I'm interested to see what will happen over the next 6 months.
45 Inverted : Well, I can confirm the first delivery of a United 727 to Pan Am. The aircraft is already in the hangar undergoing heavy maintenance as we speak. It a
46 Theiler : Inverted, when did it come into PSM?? I looked for it at noon, and was listening to Tower, but I heard nothing at all!
47 AgnusBymaster : This carry-on policy is pretty stupid if you ask me. I really can't imagine what they gain through this policy. While boarding times may be faster, th
48 Inverted : It came in last Thursday, and I was just there today when the SECOND UAL 727 was delivered at approximately 11:30am. They hadn't pulled it (2nd one) i
49 Theiler : OK, thanks. I slipped over there just past 11:30.. Typical that I missed it! I think that I saw it sitting just east of the PA ramp.
50 SegmentKing : Seat pitch on Pan Am is 35", not 38". They also use smaller seats than most airlines, as the seatbacks aren't as high. Reduces weight of the aircraft
51 Milemaster : 35" is pretty damn good though, especially for a $69.00 fare.
52 Milemaster : Their website still mentions nothing about their expansion. I must say their website is barely usable.
53 Post contains images Pacificflyer : I know! their website hasn't change yet! I literally check the website everyday to see changes! Still none today! Agh...so impatiant! hehe
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