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NWA Flights: MSP Or Dtw?  
User currently offlineZeus01 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 744 posts, RR: 2
Posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2148 times:

Which of NWA's largest hubs has the most flights per day? DTW or MSP? I know DTW does most of the internationals, but what about the other flights. I know MSP is a bigger airport and according to the DOT is the 7th busiest in the nation. But it didn't say anything about how many were NW flights.
IF you know, please give the source where you found it.

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User currently offlineWadha From United Arab Emirates, joined Mar 2000, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2000 times:

Here we go again

zeus01 with his northwest this and that!

are you going to work for northwest some day? i will be VERY disappointed if you did not  Big grin


User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5517 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1984 times:

MSP gets a ton of NWA traffic. I'd have to check on the list of most busiest. I know that MSP has more Asia flights! I just hope NWA keeps expanding more at NWA, and to stop gobbling up airlines like SUN COUNTRY!

Continental


User currently offlineAking8488 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1957 times:

More Asia flights out of MSP? Correct me if I'm wrong but don't they just have a daily NRT flight? I don't believe there's any other MSP-Asia flights. I know they had two to NRT for awhile before 9/11. DTW has a daily NRT too. As far as Sun Country goes, I see that situation as economic efficiency in its best form. They were a lousy airline based on my experiences and in the end, based on my humble opinion, things got sorted out the way they should have. Incidentally, I was hoping they would succeed since they did bring much-need competition to MSP.

User currently offlineRolex01 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1943 times:

DTW by far, has more international flights.

User currently offlineAking8488 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1938 times:

Continental said Asia flights--of course DTW has more going to AMS

User currently offlineRolex01 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1930 times:

DTW has more Asia flights also from DTW! Just go download the NW timetable to find this answer.


http://www.nwa.com/travel/timetable/




User currently offlineRolex01 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1922 times:

http://www.nwa.com/travel/timetable/effective_021302.pdf



User currently offlineAking8488 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1918 times:

You're absolutely right! Thanks

User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1910 times:

DTW has a lot more Asia flights- multiple Narita flights from DTW, all 744s. Someone from MSP said that they haven't seen a NW 744 in years, they use the 742. Besides that NW flies direct to Beijing and Shanghai from DTW also along with Osaka, Taiwan. I don't know if they resumed their Hong Hong and Seoul flights.

As for larger airport? Definitely DTW in size.

Even though NW is based in MSP, DTW is NW busiest hub and in a/c movements DTW was ranked #6 after ORD,ATL,DFW,LAX, and Phoenix


User currently offlineRolex01 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1905 times:

Will the SEL flight ever return to DTW?

User currently offlineZeus01 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 744 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1883 times:

I already know DTW gets more Asia flights. NW has a NRT flight and a Osaka flight that goes on to seoul I think from MSP.

BUt can anyone prove which airport gets more atual NW traffic? No way pheonix gets more traffic than MSP, i don't think thats true. Can anyone find this with a little evidence?


User currently offlineVctony From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1866 times:

DTW is NW's largest hub and therefore has more NW traffic then MSP. As for PHX getting more traffic then MSP, I believe it is highly possible. HP and WN both have large operations at PHX with WN having 190 daily departures and HP around 250. This doesn't count the Mesa air statistics nor the fact that DL, NW, AA, Alaska, United, and US Airways all have a fairly sizeable presence in PHX, moreso then in many of the other "spoke" cities that they serve. While MSP gets a lot of traffic, it is basically all NW where PHX has more of a variety.

User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1849 times:

Zeus01,

Phoenix (PHX) is the 5th busiest airport in the world.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3931 posts, RR: 27
Reply 14, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1846 times:

DTW is businer than MSp due to DTW being the largest hub.

DTW also has more asia flights. In the current schedule, nonstop flights to NRT, KIX, NGO and PEK.

There is talk that SEl will return and HKG will be launched now that Worldgateway is opened.

Steenland has also said that now they'll shift some MSP-NRT capasity to DTW.

I read an employees post on another BB that mentioned that DC10 retirement will be accelerated and MSP-NRT will go t744 with more 742s to go to Europe from DTW. Don't know how true this is though...


AZJ


User currently offlineZeus01 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 744 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1832 times:

Thanks AZjubliee. I didn't realize how big PHX was. I knew it was big, but i for got about WN and HP. THere is actually 2 flights a day to NRT out of MSP. One at 7:20am and one at 12:10pm. Can anyone please find website saying that DTW is larger? I hear mixed stories on here about which is bigger, but I know how people are with their "facts" are sometimes

User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3931 posts, RR: 27
Reply 16, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1827 times:

THe NRT flights depart MSP as follows:

flight 19 at 1210pm daily
flight 83 at 100pm sat only

not at 720am.


NW says it is the largest hub in several press releases, go to their website and look in the news section for press releases.

If you simply don't trust people here, go find the info yourself. That's what I do.

AZJ


User currently offlineRolex01 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1828 times:

Zeus01... Why didnt you look on the NW website and download the timetable (.pdf), or goto your local airport to get a timetable... Its not that difficult... You have problems believing people anyhow. See it with your own eyes.

User currently offlineZeus01 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 744 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1823 times:

sorry az, i saw on the timetable a 7:20 flight, but that was with a stop. I guess they must run a lot of people through other places on those MSP tokyo flights. I actually had tried looking, but I couldn't ever find anything about size differences, even on NWa.com. SOrry to unsettle your mood, but i wasn't trying to upset you.

Rolex01, so nice to see you again.


User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1802 times:

Go to mapquest.com and look and check the airports section. Do a zoom in aerial photo of MSP and DTW and that should prove who is bigger. Keep in mind when this mapquest picture was taken Northwest was still in the Davey. Even when Northwest was in the Davey it was a bigger hub than MSP.

If MSP was a bigger hub than DTW, then how come MSP didnt get a 1.2 billion dollar terminal built for it?


User currently offlineRolex01 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1801 times:

Rolex01, so nice to see you again.

Just so you know, the feeling isnt mutual.


User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3931 posts, RR: 27
Reply 21, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1799 times:

Ok, children no need for arguments here.

Zeus01: you haven't rustled my feathers so don't worry about it. YOu just never post anything that is factual, so rather than mislead people, I throw up the BS flag and state the facts. BTW, there are no one stop flights to NRT from MSP, look in the current timetable!! Although you could connect through SEA, SFO or LAX.

Hlywd: we're discussing the size of MSP or DTW in terms of operational size, not physical terminal size. The Worldgateway was not built because DTW is NW's largest hub. It was built because they outgrew the ancient Davey terminal built before we were all born. Another reason why MSP didn't get a 1.2 billion dollar terminal is that they're getting millions of dollars worth of building themselves. In the last 5 years or so, a new customs facility was opened, a C concourse extention was opened, new shopping area called Northstar Crossing was opened, this summer concourse B and A will open providing more gate space and jetways for all Saab and CRJ flights for the Airlink flights.

Rolex01: you go to that corner and stay
Zeus01: go to the other corner and stay

Don't make me ground you both!


AZJ


User currently offlineAcidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1788 times:
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MSP is undergoing a $3 billion renovation (as opposed to DTW's $1.2 billion terminal), so between MSP and DTW I'm sure it all evens out  Smile

DTW kicks out more flights a day most likely due to the large size of the market (Detroit being something like the 6th or 7th largest metro area in the US as opposed to Minneapolis & St. Paul being 15th in terms of population) and its proximity (closer to the more densely populated eastern United States while MSP is just plain in the middle of the Upper Midwest, not nearly as populated). People in New York or Boston or Washington trying to get to someplace in Asia are more likely to fly to DTW and hop a flight there rather than fly the extra couple hrs to MSP.



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User currently offlineRolex01 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1771 times:

 Sleepy

User currently offlinePW100 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 2485 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1763 times:

For all of you bashing each other on whether MSP or DTW is bigger, here are the official statistics from the ACI website for the top 30 airports in the world. Mind you, these are the 2000 figures. 2001 not yet fully available.

Pax [millions]:
1 ATL 80.2
2 ORD 72.2
3 LAX 68.5
4 LHR 64.6
5 DFW 60.7
6 HND 56.4
7 FRA 49.4
8 CDG 48.2
9 SFO 41.2
10 AMS 39.6
11 DEN 38.7
12 LAS 36.9
13 SEL 36.7
14 MSP 36.7
15 PHX 35.9
16 DTW 35.5
17 IAH 35.2
18 EWR 34.2
19 MIA 33.6
20 JFK 32.8
21 MAD 32.8
22 HKG 32.7
23 LGW 32.1
24 MCO 30.8
25 STL 30.5
26 BKK 29.6
27 YYZ 28.8
28 SIN 28.6
29 SEA 28.4
30 BOS 27.4
34 LGA 25.2
35 PHL 24.9
38 CLT 23.1
39 HNL 22.7
41 CVG 22.5
47 IAD 20.0
48 SLC 19.9
49 PIT 19.8
51 BWI 19.6

Movements [x1000]:
1 ATL 916
2 ORD 908
3 DFW 838
4 PHX 637
5 LAX 561
6 DTW 555
7 MSP 523
8 CDG 518
9 MIA 517
10 LAS 515

So MSP had more pax, DTW had more flights overall. Mind you that even though MSP is adding another runway, DTW runway lay-out is superior in terms of efficiency and capacity compared to MSP. DTW could handle up 800,000 - 1,000,000 movements a year (comparable to ATL and ORD). So don't be surprised -especially now the midfield terminal is operational- to see DTW traffic soar the coming years. I think in 10 years time DTW will be much closer to the likes of ORD/ATL/DFW in terms of pax and movements, becoming a fortress hub for NW like ATL is for DL.



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25 PSU.DTW.SCE : and DTW isn't already basically a fortress hub of NW....
26 HlywdCatft : I find it hard to believe that Phoenix is ahead of LA, unless that is because of Sept 11 cutbacks on international flights. With all of America West's
27 Mah4546 : PHX is ahead of LAX in movements, not passengers. Also, these #s are pre-9/11.
28 Doug_Or : keep in mind most of LA's traffic is O&D. because of its location, while Pheonix acts as hub for AmWest and a "focus city" for WN. Both of these carri
29 SEVEN_FIFTY7 : I don't see why CO doesn't abandon CLE and just set up shop at DTW. CO would be right there with its larger partner NW (and KLM if it still operates o
30 HlywdCatft : I was looking at an overhead view of DTW on Mapquest.com's airport aerial photos. There is actually room for another midfield size terminal between Ru
31 Azjubilee : The whole point of having a codeshare partner is to offer more selection and a wider variety of flight options. If CO were to cloe up shop in CLE, thi
32 HlywdCatft : Interesting to see that mapquest can give a good picture of the space necessary for a whole terminal operation. There really isn't that much space bet
33 Azjubilee : Oh there is no doubt that the expansion of B and C will happen. It was back burnered until the economy regains strength. NW has said Worldgateway ough
34 HlywdCatft : Lets bring it down to this. I have been between the two runways before and there appears to be a lot of space. Granted it may not fit something the si
35 PSU.DTW.SCE : Hlywdcatft- Yes, you're correct is stating that Metro has a ton of land, DTW is one of the few major airports that isn't landlocked by development. Ho
36 Jjbiv : Did FedEx ever get forced off the field? A few years back, NW wanted to expand its maint. hanger next door and take over our ramp. I left before anyth
37 Zeus01 : There was a interesting article in the Star Tribune here in Minneapolis today about the Minneapolis Airport Commission and its state. Northwest had a
38 HlywdCatft : Would they tear out Concourse G in the Davey Terminal? It is only about 5 years old if that. Although true it would be kind of useless since it is onl
39 PSU.DTW.SCE : We'll continue it later, got to get up in 4 hours & catch a flight...time to check out the new DTW.....
40 PW100 : Sorry guys if these are stupid questions, I've never been to DTW and I'm really curious about its future. I enjoy your input and thoughts! So here are
41 UA_727 : Well, according to Airports Council International, as of November 1, 2001, DFW was the "5th busiest airport in the world;" PHX didn't even make the to
42 PSU.DTW.SCE : Alright, I'm back for a few.... PW100: I'll try to help answer some questions about DTW: The crosswinds 9L/27R, 9R/27L are RARELY used. Honestly, I've
43 Azjubilee : I was in DTW the last few days and rwys 9/27 were in use for landings due to high winds. We took off once on 22R as it doesn't cross 9/27 for the land
44 HlywdCatft : Yesterday the heater was broken in the downstairs baggage area claim for the IT, it was pretty cold in the main baggage claim area too. I was at the a
45 PSU.DTW.SCE : Azjubilee, HlywdCatft, I echo your comments completely in the previous posts. I think I've learned more and witnessed more at DTW in the past week and
46 HlywdCatft : The floors look like $hit at the new terminal because the regular cleaning crew walked out within a day or two after Midfield opened due to a cutback
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