Canadi>nBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 841 times:
I've been hearing through the travel grapevine that SSV is to operate YHZ-LGW turnaround flights (crews)
this summer? My good buddies at SSV are off flying their F/A blocks, so have to wait to hear from them to confirm this. Anyone know if this is true? I know the flying time is roughly 5 - 5 1/2 hours, BUT...those time zones are going to be the death of the SSV F/A's!!
I used to to YYZ-PIK 12 hour layovers at WG, and THAT was a nightmare (exhaustion), so I can't imagine
doing a YHZ-LGW pairing.
WG YQT From Canada, joined Dec 1999, 151 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 742 times:
Hey Canadi>nBoy!
I have heard that these flights will be turns as well. According to the summer schedule they (SSV) are blocking 5hrs 40min east and 6hrs 10min west with 50minute turn in LGW. Makes for a bang on 14 hour day, but they do have long days like that currently.
Slawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 10 Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 708 times:
Spoke with someone from SSV ops in YYZ, as far as I know they did not meet transport requirements for transat operations with the 319, so they were looking at 757's for the summer. I think it mainly had to do with the lack of life rafts, and ETOPS safety equipment on the 319's, there 320's would be in the same boat, as far as I know C3 only had two 320's that had the rafts etc (XA, and XB)... Dont know where they are going to come from, but I would imagine that there are quite a few 757's laying around all over the place.
"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
Yyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 15990 posts, RR: 59 Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 692 times:
Well, there is an arguable capacity gap betw the the SSV 333 and 320 that the 752 could fill. SSV won't add the 752 just for the YHZ-LGW route....if they add the 752, probably will be YYZ-based.
It still seems to me that much of the C3 transatlantic summer capacity has not been replaced even with the MyTravel summer series. There should be a sizeable ex-C3 market to the UK for SSV expansion and a small fleet of 3-4 752's (or 2 addl 333's?).
IMHO
Neil
Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
Captaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 58 Reply 8, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 685 times:
Neil, I agree with you there. This is a great opportunity for Air Transat to capitalize on the demise of C3. Air Transat is the best equiped of the charter companies for European flights, with all of their aircraft capable of doing the flights, and with capacity from the 757, to A310, A330 and L1011.
"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
Yyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 15990 posts, RR: 59 Reply 9, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 682 times:
The problem Nuno is that TS will 'own' the charter market if they fill the C3 gap. In the interests of competition ex-YYZ, I hope SSV can mount a sizeable summer transatlantic series to counter the AC sked and TS charter 'monopolies'.
Is TS still getting an MD-11 for the summer?
Neil
Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
Captaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 58 Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 677 times:
Neil, I suppose you're right, but I also think that 2 main charter airlines in Canada will suffice. What we need is a low cost domestic sked airline I believe, with the odd international flight. But it has to be kept low key and not too big. But what do I know?
"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
Rootsgirl From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 530 posts, RR: 3 Reply 12, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 658 times:
No, definately not turn arounds. When the posting came out for transfer bases, I specifically asked the question " will the UK flights from Halifax be turns"? No.
I do guess however, that the layovers will be pretty minimal. Hope this clears up any curiosities. Regards
Matt From Canada, joined May 1999, 679 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 647 times:
I'm glad to hear that the YHZ-LGW flights will not be turnarounds. However, they could be (the crews would not be "overtime"). Plus, from what I understand, the flights are "daytime flights", which would make it a bit easier for the crews. However, that is stretching it... 5:40 + 6:10 + 0:50 (turnaround time) + 1:30 (which is added to the total time) = 14:10 (!!). At AC, the max is 14, I believe.
Gmonney From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2158 posts, RR: 22 Reply 14, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 627 times:
I too hope to see a 757 or two in SSV hybrid livery. Hey Nuno....good news from Neil....wow, that a complement from a very knowledged source. What about keeping the fleet all Airbus??? Do you think that they would get a A310 or so??? There is a real gap in the Airbus fleet where the 757's range and capacity is not matchable. So for short term, I think that the 757 is a great option, but I think SSV has to figure out what they are doing and where their direction is. To me it seem like they are just following demand with no rhyme or reason. If they had a set practicle schedule, I wouldn't be so confused about tackling so many different markets.
Slawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 10 Reply 15, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 622 times:
There is no advantage to getting the 310 over the 757 in terms of all airbus. The 310 is completely different from the 32X aircraft so there is no commonality savings in getting the 310, but they are cheaper, then the 757, but much bigger too, the question is could they fill the 310....probably.
"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
Voodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 1962 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 613 times:
I assume the previous mentions of YHZ, 319s and YYT meant that Halifax and St.Johns were not sharing flights.
Perhaps YYT will now be incorporated into YHZ-YYT-LGW.... this might allow the capacity increase to a 757.
Just a thought.
Yyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 15990 posts, RR: 59 Reply 19, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 601 times:
I think there is still time for SSV to convince Transport Canada that it can satisfy their needs for A319 pond service. How many mods are required? Just addl life rafts?
Neil
Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
Gmonney From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2158 posts, RR: 22 Reply 20, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 583 times:
I thought everything was done....but what do i know??? The 752 will look different, too bad they couldn't have got a former C3 one with the Red Engines!!!!
Gate Keeper From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 176 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 562 times:
The A319 is still a go to LGW. The aircraft comes off the assembly line with 120 min ETOPS. The problem is fuel efficiency. The cruise speed is lower relative to other Atlantic traffic. This means either way the aircraft flies slower and lower or higher and faster both scenarios move it off it's economical efficiency. The loads may be restricted. Turnarounds are being contemplated but hopefully not a reality. Dayliners would be OK but NOT overnights.
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