Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Skyservice: YHZ-LGW Turnarounds?  
User currently offlineCanadi>nBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1062 times:

I've been hearing through the travel grapevine that SSV is to operate YHZ-LGW turnaround flights (crews)
this summer? My good buddies at SSV are off flying their F/A blocks, so have to wait to hear from them to confirm this. Anyone know if this is true? I know the flying time is roughly 5 - 5 1/2 hours, BUT...those time zones are going to be the death of the SSV F/A's!!

I used to to YYZ-PIK 12 hour layovers at WG, and THAT was a nightmare (exhaustion), so I can't imagine
doing a YHZ-LGW pairing.



21 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineWG YQT From Canada, joined Dec 1999, 151 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 963 times:

Hey Canadi>nBoy!

I have heard that these flights will be turns as well. According to the summer schedule they (SSV) are blocking 5hrs 40min east and 6hrs 10min west with 50minute turn in LGW. Makes for a bang on 14 hour day, but they do have long days like that currently.

Hope that helps!

Cheers!
WG YQT  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 953 times:

Any news on if these will be operated by 757's?? Since Transport will not approve the 319 pond hopping operations.


"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineCessnapimp From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1320 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 946 times:

Slawko,

Would they approve 320 operation?
Why will they not approve 319 operation?
Life-raft doesn't fit under the lavatory sink?  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 939 times:

Slawko, where did you hear they are getting 757's? And from who? Air 2000? Any more input would be good.


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 929 times:

Spoke with someone from SSV ops in YYZ, as far as I know they did not meet transport requirements for transat operations with the 319, so they were looking at 757's for the summer. I think it mainly had to do with the lack of life rafts, and ETOPS safety equipment on the 319's, there 320's would be in the same boat, as far as I know C3 only had two 320's that had the rafts etc (XA, and XB)... Dont know where they are going to come from, but I would imagine that there are quite a few 757's laying around all over the place.


"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 921 times:

I definitely wont complain if I see more 757's here at Pearson. Once Air Transat gets rid of theirs, that is about it for 757's!


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16239 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 913 times:

Well, there is an arguable capacity gap betw the the SSV 333 and 320 that the 752 could fill. SSV won't add the 752 just for the YHZ-LGW route....if they add the 752, probably will be YYZ-based.

It still seems to me that much of the C3 transatlantic summer capacity has not been replaced even with the MyTravel summer series. There should be a sizeable ex-C3 market to the UK for SSV expansion and a small fleet of 3-4 752's (or 2 addl 333's?).

IMHO

Neil





Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 906 times:

Neil, I agree with you there. This is a great opportunity for Air Transat to capitalize on the demise of C3. Air Transat is the best equiped of the charter companies for European flights, with all of their aircraft capable of doing the flights, and with capacity from the 757, to A310, A330 and L1011.


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16239 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 903 times:

The problem Nuno is that TS will 'own' the charter market if they fill the C3 gap. In the interests of competition ex-YYZ, I hope SSV can mount a sizeable summer transatlantic series to counter the AC sked and TS charter 'monopolies'.

Is TS still getting an MD-11 for the summer?

Neil





Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 898 times:

Neil, I suppose you're right, but I also think that 2 main charter airlines in Canada will suffice. What we need is a low cost domestic sked airline I believe, with the odd international flight. But it has to be kept low key and not too big. But what do I know?


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16239 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 885 times:

Quite a lot I would say! I respect your opinion!




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineRootsgirl From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 530 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 879 times:

No, definately not turn arounds. When the posting came out for transfer bases, I specifically asked the question " will the UK flights from Halifax be turns"? No.

I do guess however, that the layovers will be pretty minimal. Hope this clears up any curiosities. Regards


User currently offlineMatt From Canada, joined May 1999, 692 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 868 times:

I'm glad to hear that the YHZ-LGW flights will not be turnarounds. However, they could be (the crews would not be "overtime"). Plus, from what I understand, the flights are "daytime flights", which would make it a bit easier for the crews. However, that is stretching it... 5:40 + 6:10 + 0:50 (turnaround time) + 1:30 (which is added to the total time) = 14:10 (!!). At AC, the max is 14, I believe.

I hope to see SSV start flying the 757!



Next flights: YQM-YYZ-YOW v.v. / YQM-CUN v.v. / YQM-YUL-YWG v.v. / YSJ-YYZ-SEA-SFO / SFO-YYZ-YOW-YQM / YQM-YYZ-MUC-TXL /
User currently offlineGmonney From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2159 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 848 times:

I too hope to see a 757 or two in SSV hybrid livery. Hey Nuno....good news from Neil....wow, that a complement from a very knowledged source. What about keeping the fleet all Airbus??? Do you think that they would get a A310 or so??? There is a real gap in the Airbus fleet where the 757's range and capacity is not matchable. So for short term, I think that the 757 is a great option, but I think SSV has to figure out what they are doing and where their direction is. To me it seem like they are just following demand with no rhyme or reason. If they had a set practicle schedule, I wouldn't be so confused about tackling so many different markets.

Grant



Drive it like you stole it!
User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 843 times:

There is no advantage to getting the 310 over the 757 in terms of all airbus. The 310 is completely different from the 32X aircraft so there is no commonality savings in getting the 310, but they are cheaper, then the 757, but much bigger too, the question is could they fill the 310....probably.


"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineJean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2116 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 836 times:

Maybe SSV should becom the launch customer for the A330-50(0)..  Big grin

In my dreams...



Next flight.... who knows.
User currently offlineLGW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 836 times:

The thing that always occured to me was - whats the point with a 319? to be honest

Shame, would have been a treat for me, a SSV 319 @ LGW

LGW


User currently offlineVoodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2060 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 834 times:

I assume the previous mentions of YHZ, 319s and YYT meant that Halifax and St.Johns were not sharing flights.
Perhaps YYT will now be incorporated into YHZ-YYT-LGW.... this might allow the capacity increase to a 757.
Just a thought.



` Yeaah! Baade 152! Trabi of the Sky! '
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16239 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 822 times:

I think there is still time for SSV to convince Transport Canada that it can satisfy their needs for A319 pond service. How many mods are required? Just addl life rafts?

Neil



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineGmonney From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2159 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 804 times:

I thought everything was done....but what do i know??? The 752 will look different, too bad they couldn't have got a former C3 one with the Red Engines!!!!

Grant



Drive it like you stole it!
User currently offlineGate Keeper From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 783 times:

The A319 is still a go to LGW. The aircraft comes off the assembly line with 120 min ETOPS. The problem is fuel efficiency. The cruise speed is lower relative to other Atlantic traffic. This means either way the aircraft flies slower and lower or higher and faster both scenarios move it off it's economical efficiency. The loads may be restricted. Turnarounds are being contemplated but hopefully not a reality. Dayliners would be OK but NOT overnights.

Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
SkyService LGW-YYZ - (Is This A Genuine Service?) posted Fri Jun 18 2004 22:12:51 by Gilesdavies
NW811 (LGW-ATL) Diverts To Shannon posted Fri Jul 10 2009 04:43:01 by AmricanShamrok
US Airways From London (Changes) - LGW-PHL No More posted Thu Jul 9 2009 16:01:13 by Gilesdavies
747 Activity In YHZ posted Sat Jul 4 2009 06:29:29 by 3ingreen
Stowaway Flies Ghana - LGW (and Dies) posted Fri Jul 3 2009 10:45:43 by BMIFlyer
Delta Resumes ATL-YHZ posted Sat Jun 20 2009 16:24:53 by GhYHZ
Long Haul With Aer Lingus At LGW - Could It Work? posted Wed Jun 10 2009 15:29:43 by Gilesdavies
EI Expands @LGW: EIN, WAW, VNO, Etc. posted Wed Jun 10 2009 00:02:46 by Joost
AA Flight 64 Diversion To YHZ posted Tue Jun 9 2009 17:48:24 by KBUF
Forward Bookings For New BE LGW Routes? posted Wed Jun 3 2009 03:48:36 by Sam1987