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User currently offlineBacardi182 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 1
Posted (14 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6569 times:

what are all of american airlines hub's? I know dfw and chicago are. What ever happened to san juan and raleigh durham? Also, wouldnt it be cool if the winglets on american's md-11s were painted silver so they would be shiney? then you could see the plane while you are seated inside the plane.

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User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (14 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6295 times:

RDU was shut down a few years ago (along with BNA--Nashville) due to the slump in the early 90's (I'm almost positive of that).

As far as hubs go, ORD, DFW, MIA, SJU, are the definite hubs, and I believe that SJC (San Jose, CA), JFK, and BOS might be classified as hubs--.

That would be a very interesting idea with the winglets!

FLY777UAL


User currently offlineLoadFactor From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (14 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6288 times:

FLY777UAL is right, Nashville and Raleigh were both cut as being hubs for American. I personally believe that AA was wrong to cut Nashville hub, but there were other issues that prevailed from my understanding.

The current cities that are classifies as hubs are:

DFW, ORD, MIA and SJU (to a lesser extent).

I would not consider JFK a hub even though it is one for American Eagle. Basically the flights in and out of JFK are international, international feeders on Eagle and transcontinental flights (LGA has a perimeter rule which makes transcontinental flights not possible).

BOS is a city that AA has recently focused on and has/is investing a lot of money into building. For example, look at the purchase of the American Connection on Business Express. However, I do not consider BOS a hub since flights in and out are not structured that way from what I can tell. New service to Nashville (Eagle) has been announced but from what I see, BOS is still a point to point type of city.

SJC is no longer a hub either. It was cut earlier in the 90's as well. However, with the purchase of Reno Air, American has really increased their presence again. Of course there is no Eagle feed into SJC either and the flight structure in SJC is not really one of a hub as well. However there is the Tokyo flight there which seems to have several west coast connections to and from it. But, if you are going to classify SJC as a min-hub, you might as well classify RNO and LAS as ones too. AA flies about 35 daily flights out of RNO and about the same out of LAS which is in line with SJC.

If anything was to be classified as an American hub on the west coast, I would call LAX one. LAX has not been classified as a hub by AA (UA has), but AA probably has about 185 flights (not including AE) that connect the west coast and transcontinental flying as well as important cities like Austin, Houston, Fort Lauderdaule, Orlando, Honolulu, Maui, Gudalahara, Paris and London. American Eagle also has a hub there that serves as a feeder service as well from San Diego, Bakersfield, Fresno, Palm Springs and Santa Barbara to name a few


User currently offlineSotomayor From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (14 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6271 times:

San Juan is still an AA/American Eagle hub. Here's some evidence.

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Competition is also increasing in this lucrative market, especially from COA and TWA and to some extent UAL. Gulfstream International is their partner.

Orlando



sotomayor
User currently offlineAFa340-300E From France, joined May 1999, 2084 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (14 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6261 times:

Hello,

About the West Coast : would it be possible that AA makes LAX, SEA, San Jose or SFO as one of their hub ?

That would boost their operations on Pacific.

Best regards,
Alain Mengus


User currently offlineBlink182 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 5483 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (14 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6256 times:

I know San Juan is still a hub, nashville isnt and same w/ raliegh durham, BOS,LAX,JFK, i would consider hubs, because american is the main airline @ JFK, BOS is one that is evergrowing and lax is a hub( these are only my opinions, so dont quote me on it.


Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
User currently offlineAFa340-300E From France, joined May 1999, 2084 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (14 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6254 times:

Hello,

Everything depends on what we call a hub. I think sometimes we speak about sth. that isn't truely a hub.

Take Delta and JFK for example. Dl has many flights to Europe out of there. But they don't have many ops within USA out of JFK. So AF pax who want to take a transfer at New York are offered to travel via EWR instead.

As a proof you can check the AF on-line timetable.
Also AF asked for more feeding flights at JFK in exchange of the code-share on the Concorde flight.

That would be interesting to try to determine where the concept of hub and spokes starts, and where it stops.

Regards,
Alain Mengus


User currently offlineSfo From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (14 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6243 times:

Real cool winglet idea! I would send the suggestion to AA, or better yet to Boeing and Airbus.


User currently offlineUA744Flagship From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (14 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6243 times:

I doubt AA has 185 daily flights out of LAX aside from AE. *With* AE -- possibly. But by my last count, AA had about 125 daily flights there. UA has about 200 flights.

User currently offlineYwg777 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 1264 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (14 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6241 times:

AA'S hubs are DFW,ORD,JFK,LAX.. I know this as a fact. It says so in the Canadian In-flight Magizine.
ywg777


User currently offlineDFW-JETS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (14 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6238 times:

As far as AAs concerned DFW,ORD,MIA, and SJU are the only cities classified as true hubs. Cities such as LAX,BOS,JFK,SJC,etc are just stations with lots of service from AA and or Eagle. When the new terminal at JFK opens it is rumored to become a full hub operation with flights to new intl cities and more domestic flights as well. AA would love to make LAX a full hub operation but there just isnt room to do it now. SJC is close to being a mini hub with a few connecting passengers, but nothing major as of yet, although there is a rumor of a SJC-LGW flight someday soon.

User currently offline1011 FAN From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (14 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6229 times:

RDU has'nt been a hub for AA since the early 90s. There used to be flights there from SWF (Newburgh NY) as well as ORD, but now only to ORD from SWF on AA. However RDU is the hub now for Midway Airlines, which I think has something to do with AA but I'm not sure what.

User currently offlineUnitedchicago From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (14 years 11 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 6229 times:

United owns California. AA will never have a hub in California.

User currently offlineYwg777 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 1264 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (14 years 11 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 6224 times:

For cryin out loud... AA has a whole terminal to them selfs at LAX... It is so a Major HUB.. i BET AA
YWG777
HAS AT LEAST 30 GATES IN THEIR TERMINAL 8


User currently offlineLoadFactor From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (14 years 11 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 6230 times:

I disagree, UA does not own California since UA competes greatly with WN in the west coast markets.

As I said before LAX is not classified as a hub by American. However, I wouldn't rule it out as a future hub for American. Just because UA is large in California with the LAX and SFO hubs, American has shown that they are willing to get into the west and try to duke it out a little. This is evident with the Reno Air purchase. Also keep in mind all the construction that American is currently doing at LAX to make it a better gateway. Eagle has a new terminal behind the Tom Bradly International Terminal, and much money and time is being spent to creat better/more gates in T-4. Construction of a new FIS facitlity should be underway by now which will allow AA to have internationl arrivals at T-4 much like DL has in T-5.

Also mentioned above is the fact that Midway Airlines is the key player in RDU. This is true. Midway has backfilled andpicked up many routes abandoned by AA when RDu closed as an AA hub. The only real relationship AA has with Midway is a frequent flyer marketing agreement is it not?

JFK has been repeated above as being an AA hub. According to AA, it is not one. It is only a city where a lot of focus has been placed. This is evident with the new 1 billion dollar terminal project that AA is undertaking. It is currently a hub for American Eagle however.


User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 15, posted (14 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6220 times:

I'll weigh in on this one. According to AA's website, AA operates out of gates 41-49 at terminal 4 at LAX. Allowing for the possibility of A and B jetways at each gate, that allows for 20 gates max at LAX, and that would most likely include Eagle's gates, as well.

As for who "owns" California, I miss the days when PSA (Pacific Southwest Airlines) and AirCal (or Air California) owned California. It was a extremely dark day when USAir and American bought these two airlines.

Tom in NO (at MSY)



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3129 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (14 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6211 times:

I know AA used to have a lot of Nashville service. These days it is reduced, but still you could consider it a hub, for instance the only flight RDU-PHX is via Nashville.
Also, AA uses MIA, JFK, and BOS for many of it's services, but the only one of those that I would call a hub is MIA.



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User currently offlineUA744Flagship From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (14 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6210 times:

YWG! Have you ever been to LaX? Owning a terminal doesn't say much. DAL owns one, and UAL owns 2.5 (half of 6)! Heck, UA express occupies 6 and a separate terminal as well! As was previously stated, AA has T4 which, from my last memory of being there two years ago, has 12 gates or so for mainline. AE has a new terminal. So there!

User currently offlineUnitedchicago From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (14 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6203 times:

United carries the most passangers to and from California. Southwest is second largest. When American bought Reno, United responded by adding frequency on the Reno routes - a demonstration of United being the market leader in California. I can't see American ever making LAX a hub unless is does an acquisition, which can only be Alaska at this point. Therefore, American will never be a player on the west coast. I challange you to determine how many passangers American carried from California last year.

You need to look beyond how many gates American has at LAX as a basis for how big their ops are there. That's an un-informed, un-valid way of making your argument.

Also, United just opened the refurbished terminals (they spent $250 million) at LAX.


User currently offlineDoug From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 858 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (14 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6185 times:

some of you do not even mention miami which is the airlines third largest hub,and from a recent posting that i put out an american airlines officer says that he thinks that miami will overtake chicago within the next 10 years as related to the number of daily departures.

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just another typical busy day for american airlines in miami


User currently offlineHypermike From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1001 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (14 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6177 times:

US DOES NOT OWN CALIFORNIA. The carrier that has the largest market share of intra-California air travel is Southwest. Yes, I said Southwest.

User currently offlineYwg777 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 1264 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (14 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6177 times:

UA does own California. AA has another hub in SFO. LAX is a AA hub. It says so. AA flies out of LAX at least 60 times a day. UA has a HUB in LAX. The terminal UA has covers at least 30 gates in total.!!! So there!!!!
ywg777


User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (14 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6178 times:

It's pointless trying to show facts to YWG777...

Oh well...

FLY777UAL


User currently offlineUA744Flagship From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (14 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6174 times:

Indeed... Ignorance with Stubborness = bad combo!

User currently offlineKlwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2097 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (14 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6167 times:

AA does have a sizeable operation out of JFK. However, it isn't really a hub. It is true that they are building a new terminal there. However it shouldn't open for another 6 years or so. Druing that time, across the Hudson at EWR, CO plans to double they're hub size, or so they say. Their new international facility will open in three years. AA has been loosing market share in NYC to CO. In the Wall Street Journal article documenting this, an AA spokesperson didn't seem too concerned about this since they are the "established" carrier, even though the same article mentions CO reducing AA and UA's share of certain markets in NYC. Therefore, AA will be hard pressed to establish a real hub at JFK, since the article basically discusses how CO is stopping at nothing to scoop all the market share out of NYC that they can. For example, currently CO goes to 17 cities across the Atlantic from EWR while AA goes to just a couple out of JFK. In conclusion, how can JFK be considered a hub for AA? I don't know.

25 Panamfanatic : Americans 'mega-hubs': ORD, DFW, MIA. Americans 'medium hubs': SJU (114 daily) NYC (265 daily) LAX (216 daily) ***flights include Eagle flights***Sour
26 Panamfanatic : remember when AA anounced they were building a new MEGA terminal at JFK???? What ever happened about that?
27 Ywg777 : I think AA is still building that terminal at JFK. Where are they putting it? ywg777
28 NWA Man : The new terminal at JFK should be really wonderful. 52 gates (if I'm not mistaken) of state-of-the-art technology should really be the crown jewel of
29 LoadFactor : SFO and LAX ar NOT AA hubs. SFO only has 44 daily departures and LAX only 105 (without Eagle) daily depatures. LAX could classify as a hub in the futu
30 Tom in NO : Some things to think about when discussing an airline hub: 1) the number of flights is not necessarily important. a) when do these flights arrive and
31 AFa340-300E : Hello, MIA is a gorwing market, and some people say it could become the greatest AA's hub. Could somebody procide me some information about MIA ? Why
32 Ywg777 : Really ORD and DFW are the hubs for AA. MIA is a second hub. What are the AA expansion plans at LAX? Anyone know? ywg777
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