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User currently offlineDC10-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (15 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3526 times:

Could you tell me if Russian aircraft are competitive vs airbus/boeing. Is their any russian bizjet?
I remember me a Il-76 (?) with winglets but I don't know if it has a glass cockpit. Older russian aircraft needed 5 crew members (2 pilots, 1 navigator, 1 second officer, 1 refery (!?!)); what's about new one?
Thanks! Fabrice - Paris

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User currently offlineA1ex From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (15 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3527 times:

Hi there,

Nope. Unfortunately, it's the fact that Russian commercial planes are not competetive as much as Airbuses and Boeings. Not just yet. Financial matters (lack of money) keep sinking any efforts of Russian plane makers to catch up with modern standarts.

As far as I know, there's no Russian purpose-built bizjet. However I heard some agencies are using/offering modernized YAK-40 planes as some kind of bizjets, with re-furbished interiours and so on.

IL-96 has winglets and it's a modernization of IL-86. It carries slightly fewer passengers than IL-86 but has benefited in range. I believe it has a glass-cockpit provided by "Honeywell". IL-96M is offered with Pratt-Witney engines...manufacturers must've been hoping that some other countries would like to buy this model but...guess not.

Yeah, older Russian planes needed more crew members compared to Western alternatives. I think even the twin-turboprop AN-24 (the one like Fokker-27 "Friendship") needed six or five crew members. A captain, a co-pilot, a navigator, an engineer, and a communicator (radist, who maintains the radio communications with the tower). Newer planes aren't that "crew members hungry" :)), I suppose.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (15 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3526 times:

The Russian and Urkranian aviation industries have a way to go before they really are able to make some inroads into western markets. The only two that I really see having any sort of chance for this is the TU-204 and the IL-96M. There are a lot of problems that they will have to overcome such as low production rates, lack of materials and a general perseption that russian aircraft are chunky and ineffiecent.

If they want to sell aircraft in the west they are going to have to market to their aircraft strengths. Eastern aircraft just aren't known for sofistication so they should try to concintrate on the strenght of their aircraft. Having worked on a IL-62 one I can assure you that it was built like a tank.



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User currently offlineZmey Gorynich From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (15 years 7 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3528 times:

As far as I know, there's no Russian purpose-built bizjet. However I heard some agencies are using/offering modernized YAK-40 planes as some kind of bizjets, with re-furbished interiours and so on.

that is not exactly true.. currently several OKBs work on creating specifically "BizJets"- tu-414, tu-314 and some more. Yak- 40 HAS INDEED been offered as a bizjet, but the problem is with it's range- although plane is rugged and can land and take off virtually anywhere- it has been designed for short-to-medium range hops, not transatlantic flights.

IL-96 has winglets and it's a modernization of IL-86. It carries slightly fewer passengers than IL-86 but has benefited in range. I believe it has a glass-cockpit provided by "Honeywell". IL-96M is offered with Pratt-Witney engines. manufacturers must've been hoping that some other countries would like to buy this model but...guess not.

kind of true there, Leha : ) the only thing I have to add is that -96 and -96M is a hell of a DEEP modernization of -86... they both differ as much internally as externally. il-86 offered greater seating, but lacked range, while -96 has about same seating capacity, but has MUCH longer endurance.

Yeah, older Russian planes needed more crew members compared to Western
alternatives. I think even the twin-turboprop AN-24 (the one like Fokker-27 "Friendship") needed six or five crew members. A captain, a co-pilot, a navigator, an engineer, and a communicator (radist, who maintains the radio communications with the tower). Newer planes aren't that "crew members hungry" :)), I suppose.

yup... KVS, Zam-KVS, Stukach (rasist), Krayniy (BM) and, oftenly nafigator (read in russian case!), although all KVS are trained at advanced navigation level.

talking about older models- An-24 was made in 1976. it needs 4 Crews ar least.
Mi-8 was made in 1957, requires 3 crew memebrs. An-2 was made in 1947 (!!!) and requires only 2 people! : ))
talking about Refery- oftenly, a Check-pilot was included as a crewmember, also- when planes were flying as military transports, sometimes (rearely) a Secret Service man would be included "to keeps things straight"

cheers, big ears!
Stas.


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