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Would You Design New KLM Livery On B777-200?  
User currently offlineAir Orange From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3083 times:

KLM will propably choose for the Boeing 777-200 to replace all Boeing 767's and Boeing MD-11's starting by the end of this year.

This would be the perfect opportunity for KLM to redesign it's current livery. I know from reliable sources that KLM is thinking about this matter.

Would you design an enhanced/improved livery for KLM on the B777-200? I think I will start designing too although I'm not contracted (yet) to do this prestigeus job... looking forward to your efforts. Hope to show you mine a.s.a.p.

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User currently offlineIbizajet A330 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2922 times:

Go for it!

Check out this one from Braniff Place!

http://community.webshots.com/storage/1/v4/3/87/84/28938784NOMYTSMJjY_ph.jpg

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User currently offlineThijs_wieman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2903 times:

hey, have you seen these schemes?? I think they look very good!! But I don't think KLM will go for them...

http://www.webstudio.nl/liladesign/designillustrationsamples/view_alone.nhtml?profile=designillustrationsamples&UID=10013

bye, Thijs


User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5093 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2873 times:

I like the second and third one!


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User currently offlineLindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3131 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2856 times:
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Perhaps the livery of Royal Dutch Airlines should feature more orange? Or should reflect their close relationship with Northwest in some respect.

User currently offlineMarara From Australia, joined Oct 2001, 678 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2834 times:

Thijs_wieman,

I'm guessing he has never seen those designs, but i know he would think that they are Atrocious !!!!


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User currently offlineGibberish From Switzerland, joined Sep 2000, 424 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2809 times:

Thijs_wieman: Who might have created those schemes?

I'll give you four plausible answers, try to choose the correct one:

(a) Their secret KLM designs, they made those to play around with possible new liveries.

(b) Pieter Bouw, ex-KLM and current SWISS chairman, thought it was time for a change and being a gifted graphic designer made a few suggestions.

(c) Air Orange (the thread-starter) himself designed them. He does it for a living. He has also designed liveries for VG Airlines and Crystal Airways, among others.

(d) Bill Gates thought it was time to find a hobby so he started designing liveries for random carriers.

(a), (b), (c) or (d). What's your pick?

gibberish


User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2762 times:

Air Orange does not really know what he is talking about in his message...
The 777 is the logical choice for KLM, but it will replace the 747-200 (called -300 in KLM) first. The 767s and MD11s have a decade or so to go. With delivery of 2-3 aircraft a year (same rate as current service introduction of the 747-400) the replacement programs would almost seamlessly connect.
At that time the SC will be flying which is a much more logical replacement for the MD11 and 767.



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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2722 times:

In my opinion the white tail should stay. I can see the logo even if it is dark (the tails really light up)

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Photo © Jorgos Tsambikakis



or they are high in the sky !

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The belly should be practicle, grey (?) to limit cleaning cost. These belly´s can get very dirty in the winter ..

The nose coin better be white. Often it is already and I don´t like the look !

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Perhaps it has to do with the current three tone striping on the coin ?

Well I probably am to practicle, let some real designers take a shot !

Why should it be altered anyway ? I like it ...

cheers

keesje


User currently onlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2901 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2717 times:

Air Orange, there is NO need to change every airline's livery! I know it's your job, and you do a good job very often. But there are certain liveries you should NOT touch, e.g. KLM, Luxair, Lufthansa and (most importantly) the current Air Malta livery!!!

User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2692 times:

Why should KLM probaply go for the 777? KLM did not give any indication regarding the decision of aircraft that will replace their current 747-300, MD11 and leased 767 fleet.


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User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2672 times:

I love the middle design, although I also wouldn't mind integrating the tail from the third design onto it (as someone else said, I like the predominately white tail)

But what I like most is that it's just a fresher and modern interpretation of the current livery, rather than a 'new' image.

Steve


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2583 times:

Leave well enough alone !
KLM have a classic, beautiful, elegant livery that will stand the test of time for the next 100 years. What next - would you suggest painting the Taj Mahal pink, giving the Statue of Liberty sunglasses?



User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2539 times:

Many remours saying that KLM will order the 777s (If there's no surprise). It's just the matter of time when will KLM order these birds.

User currently offlineTWAneedsNOhelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2497 times:

klm is one of the best colors in the sky, do not change!

User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3393 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2454 times:

On a side note, but very interesting, according to Dutch news paper "De Gelderlander" KLM will decide which plane to take before the summer.

http://www.gelderlander.nl/CDA/regioportal/0,2078,1460__975752_,00.html

It is only in Dutch so I will translate the article:


Battle Boeing and Airbus for mega-order KLM.

AMSTELVEEN/TOULOUSE Planemanufacturers Boeing and Airbus are involved in a fierce battle for a billion dollar order from KLM. The airline wants to order between 12 and 34 planes with a catalogue price of roughly 150 million each. Airbus very keen to get a foothhold at KLM, which is very Boeing orientated.

Despite the downturn in aviation after the september 11 attacks, KLM wants to decide which plane to take within monhs. Currently the airline is making a loss, but sees the market getting better. The current aviation crisis seems like a good moment to order planes.

The manufacturers have made some very attractive orders to sell planes that have been cancelled. Boeing had to reduce its productioncapacity a lot, and had to fire thousands of employees. Rival Airbus put expansion plans on a hold for the same reason. A large order from KLM is therefore more than welcome.

However, the purchase price is not the most important factor, says KLM spokesperson B. Koster. The new planes will be graded with several aspects. Included in these aspects are passenger satisfaction, flexibilty, environmentally friendliness and (obviously) economics.

The airline wants to make a decission before the beginning of the summer. "That decission can range from ordering nothing, to ordering up to 34 planes", according to Koster. In the last case situation the order would be valued at roughly 5 billion dollar. It has not yet been decided whether KLM will buy the planes outright. Leasing companies have also been approached.



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User currently offlineAir Orange From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2400 times:

Agree but Air Malta themselves came to me to ask for a change and even within KLM high officials told me about livery change plans so this time the redesign plans don't come from my site....



User currently offlineAir Orange From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2384 times:

Sorry boy, YOU do not know where you are talking about. I have the reliable info, not you, otherwise please state/mention YOUR sources. The Boeing 777-200 will be choosen and will be the replacement for the Boeing 767's and MD-11's. If not, I offer you here my appolegies in advance.

User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2356 times:

Why should you know that KLM is going to order the 777? According to the article posted here by Petertenthije KLM did not even decide wether they are going to get new planes or not. As they say from 0 to 34 aircraft.


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User currently offlineEham06 From Spain, joined Oct 2001, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2358 times:

Can somebody tell me where it says that klm is going to get new planes. A friend of my is cabin crew and when klm is going to get new planes he should be the one who knows it first, but i asked him and he didn't know anything.

EHAM06


User currently offlineAerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7389 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2336 times:

I like my KLM livery that I designed, but I drew it on a template rather than on the computer so it doesn't look as professional.

User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8370 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2314 times:

I think it should say Royal Dutch Airlines on the side with the little KLM logo before or after it. I like the tail on that second 744 by lila.


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User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6340 posts, RR: 33
Reply 22, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2295 times:

Well in answer to the question, KLM would be very disatisfied with my design. My artistic skills consist of being able to spray paint chairs.


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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2294 times:

Imagine a totally blue aircraft only with White logo´s..

Authority´s would probably forbid such a stealthy livery ..


User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5498 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2291 times:

What paint program do you use to create these liverys (it doesn't have to be like air oranges, but something good). Thanks.

Justin


25 RayChuang : I think KLM will not change their livery. Is there really a good reason to do so? I also think that KLM will likely buy a combination of 777-200ER's a
26 Mas777 : Why fix anything that ain't broken? KLM's livery is simply superb - let's hope they continue to keep spending their budget on new aircraft and better
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