TxAgKuwait From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1803 posts, RR: 41
Reply 1, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2861 times:
They conveniently overlooked Southwest, which has not had a fatal accident in its history. They began flying in 1971.
What makes them probably most remarkable is the fact they fly so many short haul routes, the number of cycles they have accumulated is much greater than one would expect from an air carrier their size (roughly 350 aircraft).
Yes, they did have sort of an interesting landing at Burbank, and they were probably fortunate nobody was injured or worse.
They don't brag about their safety record. But it is ought there.....31 yrs, a whole bunch of flights, no accidents involving passenger fatalities.
Jean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2116 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2769 times:
I hate to be a stick in the mud, but is anybody else getting very disillusioned with thtese surveyys? (No offnese to you for posting i of course, Jiml1126). these types of reports seem to come up all the time and if I'm not mistaken, the results seem always to be different. I'm thinking specifically of Air Canada. I've seen them near the top of these reports, and a couple years ago they were voted #1 in a German (I think) report, ahead of Ansett and Qantas. Air Canada even made a press release, folllowing this, aking advantage of the possibility. And yet, here we are a few years later, and AC has certainly not had any major incidents at all since then, and now it's no in the top 5? I don't get it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big Air Canada fan, it's just that these "safest" airline reporty are starting to get to me because they seem so arbitrary! Any thoughts?
GuyBetsy1 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 840 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2748 times:
I suppose Austrian Airlines did not include Lauda Air. They had a fatal accident in mid 80's on a flight between Bangkok and Vienna.
Also Cathay Pacific did have a fatal crash ... but it was in July 1972 between Bangkok and HongKong. It was a terrorist act... more like a jealous lover... !
I remembered that flight specifically because my parents flew from HK to Singapore the day before on the same aircraft. That aircraft proceeded on to BKK the next day and then crashed just prior the Vietnamese coast enroute to HKG. It was a 707.
NorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3137 posts, RR: 36
Reply 11, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2678 times:
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I guess it all comes down to how you evaluate the stats...
Air Canada was voted safest on fewest hull losses per hour of flight time, best safety regualtions, best maintenance and a few other factors.
All those airlines have never had a crash but they all have less flight hours, lower maintenance standards (not to say they arent excellent in their own right) etc etc
BTW British Airways HAS had crashes, many...
or need i point out Sarajevo and Manchester (ok that was British Airtours, but it was a BA owned/maintianed plane with a BA crew) not to mention all the crashes BEA, BOAC and BCAL had over the years...
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
Arsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2658 times:
I was referring to the modern BA, not the old BOAC, BCAL etc. BA has one of the best engineering facilities in the world in British airways engineering hangar at LHR, renowned worldwide for it's engineering brilliance.
Anyway where's Lufthansa, cant recall any LH hull loses in many years. LH has a excellent engineering facility in Lufthansa Teknic.
Nfx From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2653 times:
BA did have at least on fatal accident:
On Sep 10 1976 a BA Trident collided mid-air with an Inex Adria DC9 over Croatia. No survivors.
VS never had an accident but they`re not as long around as the airline mentioned above.
Also Sabena had at least five fatal accidents between 1952 and 1961 with a total of 222 people being killed.
After all the article taken from Aero Int. is not that precise:
Both LT and HF did loose a plane LT lost a TriStar in DUS due to a fire while maintaining, HF lost an A310 in VIE due to fuel shortage.
BUT remember there were pax on the A310 while on the TriStar there were none!
Samurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2461 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2536 times:
About Air Canada, there have been two fatal incidents, and another that could've been much worse in terms of fatalities.
On June 3, 1983, an AC DC-9-32 caught fire while in Cincinnati, OH. 23 people died as a result.
On March 10, 1989, an Air Ontario Fokker F28 crashed after takeoff, I believe, near Dryden, Ontario. (Air Ontario was an AC regional subsidiary) 24 people were killed by this crash. Icing of the wings has been determined as a cause.
In Decmber, 1997, an AC CRJ crashed upon landing in Fredericton, New Brunswick during heavy fog. Thankfully, there were no fatalities. Pilot error and lack of training apparently were causes leading to the incident. The crash itself also spurred a huge concern over the quality of airport firefighting services across Canada, which many say had declined seriously since Transport Canada did major cutbacks. But that's a different story altogether.
Samurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2461 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2511 times:
I should've said that those accidents in my previous thread on Air Canada are those that have occured within the last 20 years.
Before 1983, AC has had 7 fatal accidents. In 1938, a Lockheed Electra crashed near Regina, SK and in 1941, another Lockheed Electra crashed in the US. No exact figures I have been able to find out, but I'm sure must have been some (hopefully not!).
In 1956, a TCAL (Tran Canada Airlines - AC's old name) DC-4 crashed into a mountainside due to engine failure, killing 62 people on board.
In 1957, 35 people died as a result of a DC-4M having been involved in midair collision near Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan.
1963 - a DC-8 stalled in Montreal, killing 118.
1970 - a DC-8-63 crashed in YYZ upon landing, causing 109 fatalities.
1978 - a DC-9-32 in YYZ had a burst tire. Two people died as a result.
I do not know how accurate all this info was, but all this was found on a website dealing with worldwide fatal accidents from 1920 to 2000.
Delta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2506 times:
One of the problems with analyzing safety is that some airlines fly more hours in one year than others since their inception. That makes comparisons based on accident statistics difficult or impossible.
I suspect that Delta or United or American have flown more aircraft hours since their last accident than, say, Sabena has since their last acciodent in 1961, or Cathay Pacific since their last in 1972. The megacarriers can really rack up the hours.
Therefore, the best indicator is an assessment of the various airlines' practises that relate to safety, such as maintenence, pilot training, age of fleet, etc.
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