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Would This Legally Be Called A Near Miss?  
User currently offlineIkarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1618 times:

Hi

Noticed this great new shot in the database:


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Photo © Colin Parker



Now, I am not a pilot or anything, but I was under the impression that no plane is allowed to land while another is still on the runway, or am I wrong? So is this photo actually depicting something which violates aviation regulations, or is the decision whether to land or not up to the pilots / controllers involved?

I know the two planes are far apart and there was never any real danger of a collision during the event depicted here. Just wondering about the legal issues...

Regards

Ikarus

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User currently offlineFly_emirates From United Arab Emirates, joined Oct 2000, 1046 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1490 times:

i used to fly to that aiport a lot as a flight attendant, and i hated it! how many times did we abort landing! it is so uncomfortable... aint i glad that they closed it

User currently offlineDford757 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1456 times:

According to a book that I have, "Commercial aviation safety"...a near miss is -- an incident associated with the operation of an aircraft in which the possibility of collision occurs as a result of proximity of less than 500 feet to another aircraft or an official report received from an aircrew member stating that a collision hazard existed between two or more aircraft.

It is a little wordy, but I hope it helps!

DFORD757


User currently offlineATA L1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1378 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1451 times:

It close, however the A320 had to incur alot of wake turbulence!


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User currently offlineIkarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1435 times:

ATA L1011: I doubt it. The 747 was taking off, i.e. until rotation, it would not have produced any wake turbulence worth mentioning. The A320 was landing, therefore it wouldn't have noticed anything at all - unless they would have performed a go-around...

Dford757: So basically, this is no near-miss. Good to know. So it is a legal procedure, then?

Regards

Ikarus


User currently offlineThirtyEcho From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 1643 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1400 times:

Not a near miss but it IS a runway incursion. Nothing particularly dangerous about it unless the departing aircraft aborted and the arriving aircraft did a go-around, which seems not to have happened.

User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1367 times:

I used to see similar events at BOS back in the days when the superb 16th floor observation room in the tower was open. During peak times, the aircraft taking off would still be on the concrete as the arriving plane smoked rubber.

I don't know if they were doing it on purpose, but I could have sworn landing pilots kept their aircraft above the concrete until they saw the departing flight clear.


User currently offlineDford757 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1327 times:

Ikarus...

Like ThirtyEcho said, In the sense of a near miss, no, a runway incursion, yes. I think the controller did bust the distance needed between an aircraft an a heavy. I don't know what they are off the top of my head for here in the US...but I am sure it is different over in Asia.

DFORD757


User currently offlineFly_yhm From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1681 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1262 times:

Something like this happened last week here at YHM between 2 Westjet aircraft one landed before the other one rotated.


Where will you spend eternity? He,s more real then you think!!!!!
User currently offlineFlightSimFreak From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 720 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1216 times:

George carlin does a good comedy/airline thingy... one thing he touches on is the term "Near miss..." He goes on to say that the correct term is "Near hit"... "(Jet sound, explosion... 'Hey look, they nearly missed...' ' Yeah, but they didn't (nerdy laugh)'"

User currently offlineAreopagus From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1140 times:

Flight International played on that near-hit theme ~20 years ago. They also said tha a missile should really be called a hittile.


User currently offlineLucifer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1094 times:

This is fine if there is enough wind to 'blow' away the wake turbulance, and the landing aircraft has accepted a 'land after' request from the ATC. I have a couple of times landed with 'one on' - it depends how far down they are, and what your aircraft capabilities are.

User currently offlineJeff G From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 436 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1071 times:

Not a near miss, or even a runway incursion. If the two aircraft are separated on the runway by at least 6000 ft, it's a legal procedure. Not necessarily comfortable, but legal.


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