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User currently offlineTimberwolf24 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 575 posts, RR: 1
Posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2779 times:

From the Long Beach Press-telegram today.

http://www.press-telegram.com/archive/news/0302/12/new02.asp

Airline wants JetBlue slots

By Felix Sanchez
Staff writer

LONG BEACH - In a move that steps up its local competition with JetBlue Airways, American Airlines has requested four more daily flights at Long Beach Airport so it can begin service to two new destinations this summer.
But no more commercial flights are allowed because ordinances hammered together after contentious battles among the airport, airlines and residents over noise and safety cap the number at 41.

Of those 41 flight slots, defined as a combination of one takeoff and landing, New York City-based JetBlue Airways has the rights to 27. And even though JetBlue is using only three now, the airline will not give up any of the rest, said CEO David Neeleman.

In response to American's request, the city is asking those with existing contracts if they want to relinquish any flight rights.

American now also has the right to sue to increase the number of flights, a legal maneuver that had been prohibited under a court agreement that expired on Jan. 1.

American's maneuvering came to light as Neeleman flew into Long Beach on Monday afternoon to promote two new JetBlue flights to Washington, D.C., and accompanying price specials of about $100 each way. The service begins in May.

JetBlue has made Long Beach Airport a large part of its operations, flying nonstop three times daily to New York City's John F. Kennedy International Airport. It adds another flight to New York in July.

By the end of May 2003, Neeleman said, JetBlue will be operating all the remaining 21 daily departures out of Long Beach.

Possible destinations are Boston, Chicago, Denver, Oakland, Seattle and Fort Lauderdale, Fla., among others.

Neeleman says American is just stepping up competition.

"It's typical of those guys. When you do this so many times, people become wise to what you're doing. The fact is, there are no flight slots for American. They don't exist," Neeleman said.

American could not be reached for comment.

In its Feb. 22 letter to Long Beach Airport Manager Chris Kunze, American said only 17 of the 41 flight slots at the airport are being used and it should be allowed "to compete at Long Beach on reasonable and non-discriminatory terms.

"It is important that American receive (four) slots so that another air carrier cannot deprive us of the right to operate at Long Beach," wrote Walter J. Aue, vice president/capacity planning at American Airlines' headquarters near DFW Airport in Irvine, Tex.

Besides JetBlue's 27 slots, American Airlines has four, America West has five, United Postal Service (UPS) and Federal Express (FedEx) have two each, and Airborne Express has one.

The 41-flight limit was part of a 1995 federal lawsuit settlement that evolved from clashes between airport management and residents in flight paths. In 1981 the City Council responded to resident complaints about noise by limiting daily flights to 15, but airlines sued, saying that the number was too low.

As part of the settlement, airlines and the city were prohibited from suing each other during the six-year life of the agreement, which ended Jan. 1.

The airport can maintain its 41-flight limit because of the 1990 federal Airport Noise and Capacity Act and Title 21 state noise regulations, Kunze said.

Kunze said America West is being asked to upgrade to full service two flights that were scaled back to regional commuters after Sept. 11. If it doesn't do so, the airline could be asked to return the flight slots, Kunze said.

Edward Shikada with the city's Department of Public Works said airlines are restricted from selling each other their rights to slots. The slots are negotiated and obtained from the city with a $10,000 bond. Once an airline is up and flying for six months, the bond is returned.

If an airline has not started service within six months of getting the slot, it must pay a nonrefundable fee of $5,000 every 90 days to hold each slot.

American began asking questions about three weeks ago that tipped off Kunze and airport officials that the airline might be eyeing service expansion.

Neeleman, meanwhile, said JetBlue will continue its push to lure more costumers to its low-fare, long-distance domestic routes. He announced on Monday promotional $104 to $109 each-way fares from Long Beach to Washington, D.C.

Long Beach is a key to JetBlue's growth, he said.

"The fact is, when we took the flight slots here nobody wanted them," Neeleman said. "Nobody was asking for them, nobody cared about them. We will take a couple of years to grow into them. But we will make the deadline in two years. We will fly."






Living in LA, ORD/MDW will always be home!
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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5821 posts, RR: 28
Reply 1, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2449 times:

LGB Photos - If AA does sue, then it looks like someone finally heard you about the Long Beach court agreement having expired.




"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
User currently offlineSpinkid From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2429 times:

Seems like if AA does decide to sue, they won't have much of a case. All jetBlue would have to do to make the entire case moot is start using the slots faster. Which probably wouldn't be that hard. As it is, by the time AA got it's litigation going, May 2003 would probably not be too far off.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13649 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2402 times:
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Rest assured, if B6 even THINKS of serving SEA from LGB, Alaska Airlines will have their attorneys lining up to slap down lawsuits for slots there.


"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5821 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2393 times:

But AA could sue the city to have the 41 slots increased. Those slots are based on a local court mediated agreement that expired last year. So AA may be able to make a case against the airport that the city is interfering in interstate commerce, a federal not local jurisdiction.

Noise is also now federally regulated (since 1990) and cities must follow federal law on the issue. LGB and SNA were the only 2 airports allowed to keep their local limits. LGB's expired and SNA's will be expiring in the next few years. SNA is attempting to maintain limits beyond their agreement's expiration. So we could see a battle brew there in the next few years also.






"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
User currently offlineN509JB From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2373 times:

Good for them...

If you ask me, this is an entire load of crap on AA's part. This coming from the airline notorious for running the little guys out of cities.

That airport sat there pretty much empty for how many years? And they wanna "add service" now...why?... Only cause we're there.

Let’s see how eager they would be to give us slots at DFW or ORD if we wanted to serve there.

When the shoe is on the other foot, guess who turns hypocrite?

B


User currently offline777d From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 300 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2358 times:

I have to agree with N509JB.

I hope that JB is able to hold off AMR at Long Beach. Exactly when did AMR want to servce LGB, when JB started to take business away from the big boys.

I hope that JB does not give anything up to AMR and that JB does more for the flying public in JFK and any other city that is benefitting from JB


User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2345 times:

I think AA will prevail..they have a strong California presence. JetBlue is unknown. Don't underestimate that McDonnell-Douglas/Boeing is a huge area employer in Long Beach and AA is/and has been one of their best customers.

I don't think the original agreement would be subject to review. I do however, think it would be easy to raise the cap on departures. It's an environmental concern not a safety issue. It would get more interesting if another airline also lodged a similiar complaint. Or is a consumer group took the initiatize to sue the council for basically setting up a scenario which does not promote competition.

JetBlue should move fast and establish their stronghold.



User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2334 times:

If I were JetBlue I'd paint a Cessna in company colors and hire someone(with a paid fare!) to use all their alloted slots everyday....once up, once down.... For the 24 slots that DONT involve an A320!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Then they can simply tell AA "Sorry! We're filled to capacity!"


User currently offlineTimberwolf24 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 575 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2332 times:

DFW is not a slot controlled airport so JetBlue does not need slots there and last I read slots end at ORD July 1, 2002. If AA does sue to increase slots at LGB that would also help JetBlue and they could add flights above the 21 slots they currently have.


Living in LA, ORD/MDW will always be home!
User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2321 times:

I'd even have the Cessna tow a banner...."JetBlue means low fares for LGB! NO WAY AA!"

Lil' Branson flair for marketing drama!


User currently offlineAAgent From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 560 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2295 times:

Granted, AA may or may not be on your own personal list of favorite airlines, but let's look at what AA really is, an airline. And like most other airlines, AA must remain profitable in the long run to remain a viable airline. Hence competition is as important to AA's future as it is to JetBlue or any other airline.

So let's take a moment to look at the issue from a hypothetical perspective. If you were running an airline and it came to your attention that a competing airline was growing like a weed in a certain market, it is quite probable that you would make every effort to take a share of that market. It's not that you hate the other airline, it's just good business. You can't let a competitor have a free reign or you'll soon be out of the game!

I would expect that JetBlue, being the competitor that it must be, will do everything within it's power to keep AA (or any other airline for that matter) from gaining a significant foothold in their home turf at LGB. However, it's AA's job to make every effort to add slots into LGB, and for that matter, to take advantage of other strategic opportunities elsewhere thoughout the globe.

After all, in the big picture it's all a big game where the playing pieces are airplanes, runways and gates. The simplified object of the game is to compete with other airlines to accumulate the most airplanes, runway landing opportunities and gates at which to service as many passengers (and as much cargo) as possible. The reward for playing the game well is money with which you can buy more playing pieces. Play poorly and you lose all of your pieces and your money. AA and JetBlue are both players in this game for the brave. If they're lucky, the game will be endless.

Now let's play!!!

Respectfully,
AAgent



War Eagle!
User currently offlineN509JB From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2275 times:

In speaking of DFW, I was talking hypothetically. Slots or no, AA would not be busting out the welcome wagon for us. ORD is a different story, and dont be suprised if you see us there this summer  Big grin

Bottomline, AA isnt getting our slots at LGB. They MIGHT get some more slots added, but God, I'd love it if we got some of them too.

This is predatory, pure and simple. I wont be suprised if we see NYC-LGB, OAK-LGB or any other of our routes matched by AA.

B


User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2249 times:

Not that I think you should be nervous, but AA is fairly good at the predatory pricing game. After all, they invented yield management. It's much easier for them to operate at a loss than you. And they can do it for a far longer time.
With an IPO around the corner(?), bad ROI numbers are death. The good news is that courts work very slow. It will be months before any injunction can be awarded.

Curious..what's the problem with JetBlue and their creditors (and YES, there is problems). You received $6M in from the stabilization fund because banks would not float the loans. What gives?


User currently offlineTimberwolf24 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 575 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2223 times:

I don't want to see JetBlue loose any slots at LGB, in fact I want to see them add flights at LGB and I think the caps are absurd. I'm wondering, would you call it predatory if Southwest, ATA or Frontier were wanting the slots or predatory if JetBlue started DFW-ORD. =)
I do agree with you the reason AA is doing this is because of JetBlue, I have seen this first hand by good old AA at MDW when ATA announced service from MDW to DFW next thing we knew there was AA with F-100s MDW-DFW. However we fly 737-800s and 757s on that route and do quite well as I'm sure Jetblue would do quite well against AA. When you guys do start service just go to ORD, it's bad enough that we have Southwest at MDW. =D



Living in LA, ORD/MDW will always be home!
User currently offlineKubla From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2204 times:

Is this a good time for some predatory pricing by the majors? We've been led to believe that they are burning through their cash at an alarming rate.



User currently offline777d From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 300 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2180 times:

With AMR thinking of adding flights to and from LGB where were they 3 years ago, 2 years ago or even 1 year ago?

Jetblue is making inroads into the big boys territory and that makes them nervous. I am glad to see Jetblue doing well, I hope they are at least.

Yes AMR can afford to lose money on this route longer than Jetblue, but then why are they(AMR) saying they are losing millions per day?

I hope Jetblue does prevail!!

With these slots, where are they going to start service? With what equipment? All the Jetblue planes are in service so where are the other planes coming from?

Thanks...


777D


User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2170 times:

I think the issue is that with a limited route network, AA can operate at a loss on specific routes very easily. They can make up the cost...dollar for dollar on any other route not competing with JetBlue. Hemmoraging cash-wise a bit more to eliminate a competitor may actually be in their best interest.

Is it fair? Not really.
Will it happen? Very likely.

JetBlue has a great market at JFK...why are they not concentrating their efforts there? N509JB?


User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4509 posts, RR: 34
Reply 18, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2155 times:

Granted, AA may or may not be on your own personal list of favorite airlines, but let's look at what AA really is, an airline. And like most other airlines, AA must remain profitable in the long run to remain a viable airline. Hence competition is as important to AA's future as it is to JetBlue or any other airline.

It's not a matter of AA being anyone's "favorite" airline or not. They are a gigantic Cartel carrier with a massive route network and high operating costs. They don't like the idea that any airline with a lower cost structure, and thus the ability to make money on lower fares, is out there with the possibility to hurt their yields, somewhere, anywhere.

AA would not give a rat's tail about LGB if JetBlue were not there. AA can't make money at LGB beyond its 4 daily M80's to DFW, or so their accountants seem to think, since there hasn't been a peep out of AA about LBG til now. This move is *strictly* predatory, not competitive. If AA drove JetBlue out on transcons, which is unlikely anyway, they would drop back to their old schedule so fast it would create a cyclone.

This move is NOT about "competition" or offering consumers more options. It is about attacking a competitor who has a lower cost structure and can offer consumers lower fares. AA does NOT want that at any cost.

So let's take a moment to look at the issue from a hypothetical perspective. If you were running an airline and it came to your attention that a competing airline was growing like a weed in a certain market, it is quite probable that you would make every effort to take a share of that market. It's not that you hate the other airline, it's just good business. You can't let a competitor have a free reign or you'll soon be out of the game!

Funny, that doesn't seem to be how Southwest and AirTran operate...they seem to be growing nicely in a symbiotic fashion in the East, with different marketing, profit, and operational strategies. American does not want a "share" of LGB because sans JetBlue they wouldn't even know it was there (a staffer would probably have to remind Carty about the 4 daily M80's to DFW).

AA is attacking a perceived threat to their NY-LA area transcon yields, and nothing else. They don't want to let Southwest happen again, because they want consumers paying high fares on their planes to pay for their high cost structure. Which they can certainly do in enough markets.

I would expect that JetBlue, being the competitor that it must be, will do everything within it's power to keep AA (or any other airline for that matter) from gaining a significant foothold in their home turf at LGB. However, it's AA's job to make every effort to add slots into LGB, and for that matter, to take advantage of other strategic opportunities elsewhere thoughout the globe.

I'm no lawyer, but the whole idea of local communities messing with interstate commerce for NIMBY or other reasons stinks. As long as the cap on flights is there, though, JetBlue is well-justified to hold those slots. They can easily use every one of them by mid 2003.

After all, in the big picture it's all a big game where the playing pieces are airplanes, runways and gates. The simplified object of the game is to compete with other airlines to accumulate the most airplanes, runway landing opportunities and gates at which to service as many passengers (and as much cargo) as possible. The reward for playing the game well is money with which you can buy more playing pieces. Play poorly and you lose all of your pieces and your money. AA and JetBlue are both players in this game for the brave. If they're lucky, the game will be endless.

It would be nice if the US airline industry were that simple, but it isn't. The trouble is, that we have two airline industries in the country. One, the UA-AA-DL-CO-NW-US Cartel and their regional affiliates, has high fixed costs and a motive to keep fares high to feed those costs. Even if it means playing dirty with low-fare competitors.

The other airline industry, the low-fare industry, offers low fares, excellent service, and liberation for communities--especially medium-size cities--who are vulnerable to the high fares of the Cartel. Fortunately, the current generation of low-fares is well-managed, and might even survive an all-out assault by the Cartel. (Whom I used to call the "Six Families" before a few people complained).

Both types of airlines are needed because of their different route structures and benefits. WN can't serve Chattanooga profitably but United Express can. Similarly, Rochester can support AirTran, and travelers who don't want lounge chairs or need FF miles good to Singapore, can enjoy low fares.

The Cartel's history indicates that they are not to be trusted any further than the Attorney General can spit at them in the matter of predatory pricing and capacity dumping at low fare carriers. Justice only lost the USA v. AMR suit because of its sloppy legal work, and weakness in the Sherman Act's current definition of capacity dumping. (Congress should amend that).

I'm not trying to be rude or dismiss your points out of hand, AAgent, please don't take any offense. But the LGB situation is a little microcosm of a much bigger, ongoing, case of a high-cost oligopoly trying to protect its empire, using advantages like deep capacity to tolerate price and capacity wars, that its competitors don't have.

Of course, if AA does get more LGB slots, JetBlue probably will do well anyway, they're building a loyal customer base. But nevertheless DOJ should watch the situation like a hawk.

Jim



Need a new airline paint scheme? Better call Saul! (Bass that is)
User currently offline777d From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 300 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2145 times:

whoa

User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2594 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2129 times:

"But nevertheless DOJ should watch the situation like a hawk."

Let me put it mathematically:

(Ashcroft/DOJ) + Bush x (Hutchison/Armey/DeLay) - California = $$$$ for AA.


User currently offlinePelicanlarry From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2116 times:

Maybe it is a good time to check the history of jet blue in Long Beach and what the members of the forum had to say back then, this is it:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/475128/


User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2079 times:

DCA-ROC put it wonderfully.

The free market is something that corporations pay tremendous lip service to....until someone comes along that does it better than them. Then it's hire the best attorneys and lobbyests around to tilt the system unfairly in their favor.

The sad thing is, this poisoned process is so common now that we've somehow fooled ourselves that it's actually part of the free market. Every major industry in America is guilty of it.

American has every right to fly into and out of LGB. And LGB should have every right to tell them how often.


User currently offlineAAgent From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 560 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2066 times:

DCA-ROCguy, I have taken NO offense to your post. As a matter of fact I very much enjoy a lively debate!!!

In regards to JetBlue giving up slots at LGB... If I were JetBlue, you'd have to pry them from my cold dead fingers. However, AA, being a strong competitor, must make every effort to either force the addition of new slots into LGB or otherwise encourage JetBlue to relinquish control of some of the slots. In any case, I would greatly prefer that AA refrain from an attempt to squash JetBlue in the process of slot acquisition as we aviation enthusiasts enjoy the very existence of a wide variety of airlines. (It makes for better aircraft spotting!)

I wish JetBlue continued success, but please don't begrudge AA for doing what it is supposed to do, and that is that AA must compete in the airline industry by providing air travel services to it's customers while providing profits to it's shareholders. If that means AA has to compete aggressively to maintain and/or expand it's operations, so be it. Make no mistake, I fully expect that JetBlue will make every effort to compete, fiercely if necessary...and I don't blame them.

Let the games begin.


Respectfully,
AAgent



War Eagle!
User currently offlineBlink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5482 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2041 times:

If Jetblue were to start ORD-DFW, they would not stand a chance. First of all, American has hubs at both airports and United has a hub at ORD whereas Jetblue has no presence currently at both airports. Jetblue would be dead in the first few months of that service.

I am an AA fan, but I think most of this is predatory and if AA eliminates Jetblue, AA will not return to LGB. In all fairness to AA, they are just trying to make money and capitalize.

AAgent- Very nice analogy about the game, very nice  Smile.

blink



Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
25 Boiler Special : Granted, American had no interest in LGB until jetBlue arrived in town. They also had no interest in Vanguard until they started flying DFW-ICT. Simpl
26 AAgent : Thank you, Blink182. Respectfully, AAgent
27 Skyway1 : I hope JetBlue is able to hold off AMR, for the sake of travellers in the LGB area. Like stated above, if AMR was able to drive JetBlue out of the mar
28 PSU.DTW.SCE : I normally would stay out of these arguements, but keep this point in mind.... Businesses are allowed to compete against each other, airlines are no d
29 Jer32382 : All I have to say is that I wanna see JetBlue kick some AA ass.
30 Scottb : Actually, I think AA's strategy is to get their request in for slots and to establish a legal right to claim those slots if jetBlue doesn't use them i
31 Picarus : Deja vu all over again. AA pulled this crap in the early 80s at SNA; took it to court, and won. I wouldn't be surprised to see the slot limits "renego
32 AAgent : We can't say whether AA would or would not have been terribly interested in LGB had it not been for JetBlue's ambitions there. The only thing we can s
33 Searpqx : Guys, slightly off topic, but I just want to say, 'This is what I come here for!' Thank You! AAgent and DCA-ROC Guy, thanks for laying out your positi
34 TxAgKuwait : I'm sorry, I could not resist a chance at some alliteration. Far too few people get any mileage out of the English language. But I digress.... I'm not
35 Mah4546 : TxAgKuwait, your forgetting one very important thing. jetBlue currently does not have enough planes to fill all those 24 slots. They are expected to b
36 AA-SAN : Scottb brought up a very interesting point... It seems clear that at the very least this is an attempt by AA to but pressure on B6 to use these slots.
37 IMissPiedmont : Hmm. Does Americans AActions Aat DAL ring AA bell? They went out of their WAAy to get slots to compete with Legend. AAfter they forced Legend out of b
38 Tcttx : Does Americans AActions Aat DAL ring AA bell? They went out of their WAAy to get slots to compete with Legend. AAfter they forced Legend out of busine
39 AluminumShower : Slots? At DAL???? When were there slots at DAL? James, I am not sure how you equate AA adding flights into LGB as being predatory. It sounds like good
40 Goldenshield : I heard something about AA also wanting to start 2x daily nonstops, ONT-JFK to rival B6. With what AA is doing, that is very much considered predatory
41 AluminumShower : No.... AA already said they were not ging to do JFK-ONT, however, adding service in a market alone does not define predation.
42 LoneStarMike : Seize the bull by the horns. If you are Jet Blue, take those Long Beach slots and start using them. But do not be stupid. Folks will fly a one stop tr
43 LV : Well, if the problem is planes, I would think with the market the way it currently is it wouldnt be that hard to lease a few A320s temporarily from so
44 AA@DFW : Normally I would not elect to use such tactics as I am about to, but in this case I will make an exception... SCREW JET BLUE AA has been through hell-
45 777d : The irony of this situation is that other carriers wanted AMR/BA to give up slots at LHR but AMR/BA decided it was too large of a price to pay to allo
46 Post contains images DCA-ROCguy : TgAxKuwait....I agree completely. If JetBlue is going to do this LGB thing, and has those slots, they need to use them. Maybe start by flying all to e
47 Strickerje : In all fairness to AA, major companies do this sort of thing all the time. Remember the Microsoft case? (Sorry, just had to bring that up...) They fee
48 Fleet service : American wouldn't actually be suing jetblue, it would be the airport authority.
49 Post contains links LoneStarMike : I posted this article a little while ago in The Wright Amendement thread, but I'm also going to post it in this one simply to illustrate how far AA wi
50 AA717driver : Nobody criticized JB when they chose JFK to start up a low-cost operation--when AA had embarked on their expansion there. It's always ok when the litt
51 Greg : ..I don't think they'll die. But nobody should EVER underestimate what AA can acomplish. Having known one of their junior legal counsel I can tell you
52 Post contains links and images Kohflot : I'm surprised no one's mentioned a little airline that once served LGB: Click for large versionPhoto © Torsten Maiwald They offered servce from L
53 DCA-ROCguy : I love it....a small airline starting up at JFK is "kicking AA in the nuts." That's like saying a mouse is kicking an elephant in the nuts. And it's a
54 HlywdCatft : Jet Blue needs to serve DTW
55 LoneStarMike : Nobody criticized JB when they chose JFK to start up a low-cost operation--when AA had embarked on their expansion there.This is a brief excerpt from
56 Post contains links LoneStarMike : UPDATE: Looks like AA is wanting the slots to start service between LGB-JFK, a route jetBlue is already serving, and LGB-ORD, a route jetBlue has indi
57 PSU.DTW.SCE : AA used to serve ORD-LGB, but then dropped it sometime in the past year or two. I couldn't find the press release stating when the service stopped, bu
58 FATFlyer : PSU, Regarding when LGB-ORD ended, the Gazette article LoneStarMike posted says: "American currently flies between Long Beach and Dallas four times a
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