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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4901 posts, RR: 25
Posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1376 times:
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The latest Justplanes.com reported that Swiss will reveal the choice of its international alliance partner on 26 March and that the most likely ones were going to be SkyTeam or Star (?). I thought the most logical choice that had been discussed previously (and from inside sources) was oneworld? Anyone has any better info?

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User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1308 times:

The last I heard (from a conference at Zurich with Mr. Bouw) that they are leaning toward Oneworld. More information we will have at 26. March.
717fan


User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 31
Reply 2, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1302 times:

Star would be impossible, due to the too big market concentration in the german speaking part of Europe. The EU commission would be glad to have a closer look at such a deal.

SkyTeam and Oneworld are the candidates, and - as mentioned by 717fan - P. Bouw gave some hints, that oneworld would be the one.

I hope, Swiss will join Oneworld.

Gerardo



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User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1285 times:

That I hope too. It would be also the best choice for Zurich Airport. This would be a boost for Swiss and ZRH.
717fan


User currently offlineSwiss-airplane From Switzerland, joined May 2000, 591 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1278 times:

I also hope that Swiss will join the Oneworld Alliance. Would be the best choice. And AA needs an strong European partner in the heart of Europe and the alliance between BA and AA is not possible so I think Swiss could be a strong feeder partner for Oneworld within Central Europe, Africa and more
Greets
Mike


User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 5, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1265 times:

once more I would prefer Oneworld...



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User currently offlineSr176 From Switzerland, joined Feb 2001, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1244 times:

It will be definitely not Star as this was said so by CEO Dose.

User currently offlineRickster From Austria, joined Dec 2000, 653 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1232 times:

Neither Star Alliance nor Sky team does make sence for Swiss so it has the be One World.
Regards


User currently offline2cn From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 648 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1226 times:

I had read a news story a short time back- if I can find it again, I'll post it- saying that they expected the choice to be Sky Team... whether its gonna be Sky Team,or Oneworld, we'll just have to wait till March 26.

User currently offline9V-SVE From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 2066 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1223 times:

Star is impossible, with already LH, Spanair and OS in with LOT interested.

Skyteam is maybe, they only have 1 airline in Europe (AF)

One World is also maybe, with BA, IB and Finnair in


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4901 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1215 times:
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Actually, SkyTeam already has 3 airlines in Europe - AF, OK, and AZ. Oneworld would make the most sense given the locations of the European hubs (LHR, MAD, HEL)...Andre Dose had expressed interest in an interview earlier on in SkyTeam because he was interested in linking up with Delta as a U.S. partner due to SR's previous experience with DL as well as DL's financial strength....of course, at that time AA was vigorously pursuing its deal with BA and had no time or interest to focus on the Swiss....

User currently offlineRickster From Austria, joined Dec 2000, 653 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1211 times:

Skyteam besides Air France has Alitalia and CSA in Europe.
Regards


User currently offlineRickster From Austria, joined Dec 2000, 653 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1207 times:

ops too late  Wink/being sarcastic

User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5085 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1161 times:

Swiss would be better off hooking up with OneWorld.


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User currently offlineSr3496 From Switzerland, joined May 2000, 792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1130 times:

I think that OneWorld will be the new alliance partner.

Anywayz, I would still prefer to see Swiss together with KL/NW. Why does nobody speak about Wings...will it be the big surprise?  Smile


User currently offlineAAgent From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 560 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1127 times:

My bet is on Oneworld.

Respectfully,
AAgent



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User currently offlineGibberish From Switzerland, joined Sep 2000, 424 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1086 times:

Oneworld. I've been saying it since AA/SR have tied up like 2 years ago.

gibberish


User currently offlineJumbolino From Germany, joined Mar 2001, 490 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1085 times:

Hi !

Last Friday I'd a flight with them (LX) and nearly the whole plane was fullfilled with PAX coming from delta (ok I only imagine this because while boarding us i could see that they had delta boarding passes)
I think that (could) be a hint that they would join skyteam ...
what are you thinking about this ? I mean normally airlines doesn't fill planes from other airlines or better in this case they could also send their PAX over CDG ...

Ciao Ju



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User currently offlinePadcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1053 times:

I'd like to hear from some former Swiss Air employees. I've heard several mention that they liked the alliance with DL compared to working with AA. DL treated SR very well during their airplane disaster in the North Atlantic. DL seems to have better service compared to AA, in the past better on-time, lower level of complaints, etc. Plus, they would lower the competition in the France, Switzerland, Italy aviation markets. The UK traveler will surely not transit via ZRH to far off places, the Italian and Southern France businessman would.


User currently offlineEmirates Skies From Australia, joined Nov 2001, 171 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1015 times:

My bet: swiss will join oneworld. The now-gone swissair had a lot of co-operation with oneworld members such as AA, QF, AY, IB, Aer Lingus and could be (I am not 100% sure) also with BA & CX, even during the heydays of the Qualiflyer Group.

STAR will have a lot of explanations to present to the Commission, as well as internal friction (especially with OS).

As for Wings: ZRH would fit (geographically) quite well as a compliment hub to AMS... but will KLM allow another 'small but rather strong' European carrier in Wings?

Sky Team? I think MXP is too close to ZRH... and I am still not convinced about AZ quality matching up to AF, let alone Swiss quality.

Emirates Skies



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User currently offlineLionel From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 391 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 999 times:

Grüezi Emirates Skies

Swiss won't be a "rather small airline". They will have over 120 planes. So they will be the 4th biggest airline in Europe! Thats what I heard about.

Tschüssli Lionel


User currently offlineSwissA330 From Switzerland, joined Mar 2002, 613 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1004 times:

I realy hope that swiss will hook up with ONEworld.
Bt what will ahppen to all the other qualiflyer-airlines? I mean, LOT could enter Star, etc but what about TAP etc?
As you might know, they all still have the Qualiflyer FF Programme (though the commercial Co-operation has been Stopped). I hope TAP will make the same decision as swissair (although Tap might be perfect for STAr, as a south-western European Partner, where One is strong with IBERIA)

Regards from ZRH
Patrick



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User currently offlineRizzibird From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 232 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 989 times:

@ Lionel:
4th biggest in Europe? You must be joking! 120 planes is nothing compared to BA, LH, AF, IB and AZ, maybe even less than SK and KL. So they will definitely not be the 4th largest airline in Europe.

Rizzibird


User currently offlineLionel From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 391 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 984 times:

@Rizzibird

Thats what I read in newspapers. I knew BA, LH and AF are bigger than Swiss but the others I was not shore.

How many planes have IB, SK and KL? What about Alitalia?


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 983 times:

KLM has 33 747's, 10 MD11's, 12 767, 40 (?) 737's and many aircraft with their daughters Transavia, KLM UK, BUzz, KLM cityhopper ~Martinair.

http://about.klm.com/fleet/fleet.asp

They also outsource a lots of flights.

And off course are selling a lots of seats on NWA aircraft across the Atlantic ...

Definetly 4th in seats in Europe

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I think size about 50% of BA, about 10th in the world

keesje


25 Il-96lover : Well, let´s see, KLM: 124 ac Alitalia: 178 ac Iberia: 208 ac SK: 184 ac so SWISS can´t be 4th in europe by far. regards Christian
26 Keesje : A B747-400 to Tokio & an A319 to Rome is both one aircraft however .....
27 Post contains images Emirates Skies : Lionel: Don't misquote me, nor misunderstand me:- 1. I said "'small but rather strong European carrier'" and I put it in inverted commas as I wanted
28 Lionel : @Emirates Skies In fact, there were some false info I wrote above. As you can read on www.fly-swiss.com the new Swiss Air Lines will has 128 planes.
29 Panamair : The most used means of determining size is revenue passenger miles/kilometres (RPMs/RPKs) and based on that in the past few years, #1 in Europe has be
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