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USAirways Cutting International?  
User currently offlineSwa tpa From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 1559 posts, RR: 33
Posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1224 times:

My friend just called me and told me her husband who works for USAirways told me they plan to cut the International routes and focus on domestic routes. Is there any truth to this? Has anyone heard about it. He said its part of their "restructuring" to stay in business.
I have a hard time believing this but who knows.


I believe I can fly.....
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User currently offlineHaveric From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1247 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1150 times:

yeah, because then they'd fly A330s from PHL to PIT.

meanwhile, my friend's milkman's sister said that Southwest is going to begin flying to Australia....


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3404 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1131 times:

yeah, they need their international routes to survive, and they would have bought the 330's for basically no reason.

User currently offlineSpinkid From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1103 times:

Honestly, it doesnt' sound completely far fetched to me. They are not a major playor in the international market. I don't know their routes offhand, but they don't compare to United, American, Delta. I'm certain they could use lease the A330's. Stranger and more drastic things have happened in Aviation, TWA, Eastern and Pan Am, all cut international routes and focused on domestic. Although they never recovered. On that note, maybe USairways should take the lesson learned from them and not cut them, if indeed that is what they are planning.

User currently offlinePadcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1088 times:

Is it so suprsing that an airline that is losing it's ass might want to get rid of these money losing Intl. routes?
I can assure you Germany, France, the Netherlands, and Italy are money losers with no end in sight.



User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1069 times:

I can assure you Germany, France, the Netherlands, and Italy are money losers with no end in sight.


Well the other US airlines have a way of generally making money to these places


User currently offlinePadcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1066 times:

kid

The original reason TW and Pan Am got into trouble was because the concentrated on Intl. while not growing their domestic system. By the time they realized this, International route cuts were too little, too late.


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3404 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1054 times:

i really wouldnt consider usairways focusing on transatlantic flts, they only have 8 european dest. compared to like 15-20 by the other major carriers

User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1044 times:

us airways is losing a lot on international right now.

for spring break im going nyc to paris round trip for 300.

ridiculous.


User currently offlineN202PA From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1562 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1039 times:

The original reason TW and Pan Am got into trouble was because the concentrated on Intl. while not growing their domestic system.

Pan Am was unable to grow domestically because the Feds wouldn't let them until the CAB was eliminated in '79. They were stymied at every turn when they tried to start up any sort of domestic network, by government regulators playing on the side of the domestic carriers. It wasn't negligence that kept PA from developing a domestic feed to spur international growth.


User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32785 posts, RR: 72
Reply 10, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1020 times:

If US cut international services it actually wouldn't hurt them. They could make some money selling off the A330s on top of it. They already cut PIT-LGW/CDG, CLT-CDG/FRA, and PHL-BRU, although both PIT flights will be back very soon. Still, considering thier only number six, some of thier destinations, in particular Madrid and Rome, don't make sense.


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User currently offlineHaveric From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1247 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1014 times:

Well, as easy as it is to compare US to airlines that folded 15-20 yrs ago, no one has yet put forth any evidence that US is losing its shirt internationally.

In the next 2 weeks, they are reinstating several routes from PIT / CDG and restoring daily capacity on routes from PHL.

Finally, I tried hard to find a decent fare to Europe for the late spring and US was more expensive than every carrier from ORD or PHL to FCO

Eric


User currently offlinePadcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1011 times:

Well, it didn't know the Fed hampered their grow after deregulation. I just knew when I started in this business their fate was sealed. Long International 747 routes with a single frequency feed from the major domestic markets.

Donder,

Other US airlines make Intl routes work with the help of their alliance partners and when this is not an option they can at least break even due their market dominance. U may have a little of this in PHL, but it's a hard battle.


User currently offlineHaveric From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1247 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 985 times:

Another thing, US has spent a lot of $$$$ to build the new international terminal at PHL, due to open at the end of the summer....

User currently offlineN202PA From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1562 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 971 times:

Well, it didn't know the Fed hampered their grow after deregulation. I just knew when I started in this business their fate was sealed. Long International 747 routes with a single frequency feed from the major domestic markets.


No doubt that was a major nail in PA's coffin. But consider:

1.) At the point of deregulation in '79, PA was already in dire financial straits due to the energy crisis and the CAB's favoritism with respect to domestic carriers.

2.) At deregulation, PA was put at a strategic disadvantage, as many of the domestic carriers (ie, Delta, American, TWA, etc.) already had been given international routes by the CAB in addition to their regular domestic routes.


User currently offlineAA717driver From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1566 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 950 times:

USAir just had a change of management--anything is possible.

The 330's and the international buildup were done during Wolf's tenure--not exactly a stellar performance.TC



FL450, M.85
User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 933 times:

US Airways is a classic example of how not to run an airline. The carrier is a hodge-podge of small, regional carriers that existed until the late 1980's, including PSA, Piedmont, USAir (formerly Allegheny). The airline's management has never focused on driving down its sky-high cost structure, it has an extensive East Coast route system but it faces stiff competition from Delta,
Southwest, Continental, and even American and United in many of its traditional core markets, many of which do not make money. The carrier has spend zillions on brand spanking new airplanes, but Steven Wolf wanted to merge it with United. The DOJ didn't allow it.

I'd be sad to see US Airways go down the drain, but it probably will. I wouldn't be surprised to see it folded into a larger carrier, namely UA, DL, or even CO or NW a la TWA, but sooner, rather than later. It is a grossly mismanaged airline with a sorry product and surly service, despite the new planes, paint job, and whatever other cosmetic approaches were applied to cover up for what is arguably the most pointless and aimless US airline.

ContinentalEWR


User currently offlinePhilly phlyer From United States of America, joined May 1999, 317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 846 times:

I believe some people (see above) need to go back and check their sources on service cuts!


US Airways Restores Transatlantic Service
ARLINGTON, Va., March 15 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- US Airways will restore most of its transatlantic operations over the next three months with the return of flights between the U.S. and Europe that were suspended temporarily following the reduction in traffic after September 11.

Roundtrip transatlantic flights will increase from the current 61 weekly to 98 weekly with the return of daily frequencies serving US Airways' key destinations in the United Kingdom, Germany, France, Italy, Spain and The Netherlands from its international gateways of Charlotte, Philadelphia and Pittsburgh.

For the summer schedule, US Airways also will reintroduce its larger state-of-the-art Airbus A330-300 aircraft on many routes, supplementing U.S.- Europe operations using Boeing 767-200 aircraft.

Effective March 16, US Airways will restore daily nonstop roundtrip service between its primary international gateway at Philadelphia and Amsterdam, Munich and Madrid, using Boeing 767-200 aircraft, and Rome, with A330-300 aircraft. US Airways' routes serving Amsterdam, Rome and Madrid currently operate with five flights weekly, and Munich is served with four flights weekly.

Also on March 16, US Airways will resume daily nonstop roundtrip flights from Pittsburgh to Paris Charles de Gaulle Airport, using Boeing 767 equipment; and to London Gatwick Airport with A330-300s. Pittsburgh-Paris service was suspended in December 2001, and Pittsburgh-London flights were suspended in February 2002.

On May 4, daily nonstop flights will return between Charlotte and Frankfurt (suspended in October 2001), using Boeing 767 aircraft. Also on May 4, daily nonstop Charlotte-London Gatwick capacity will expand from Boeing 767 to A330-300 operations.

A second daily Philadelphia-London service, using Boeing 767 aircraft, starting on June 16, will mark the completion of US Airways' increased transatlantic program for 2002.

From Philadelphia, the airline will this summer operate daily nonstop flights to Amsterdam, Paris, Rome, Frankfurt, Madrid, Manchester and Munich, in addition to twice-daily flights serving London. From Charlotte, US Airways will operate daily service to London and Frankfurt, and from Pittsburgh the airline will offer daily service to Frankfurt, London and Paris.

US Airways, the US Airways Express carriers and US Airways Shuttle provide service to 205 destinations worldwide, including 38 states in the U.S., Antigua, Aruba, Barbados, Bermuda, Cancun, Cozumel, Freeport, Grand Cayman, Montego Bay, Nassau, San Juan, Santo Domingo, St. Croix, St. Lucia, St. Thomas and St. Maarten. US Airways Express also serves North Eleuthera, Governors Harbour, Marsh Harbour and Treasure Cay from Florida. In Canada, US Airways serves Toronto, Montreal, and Ottawa.

For additional information on US Airways fares and schedules, contact US Airways at 1-800-428-4322, or visit US Airways online at http://usairways.com .

SOURCE: US Airways



User currently offlineSQ325 From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 1451 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 820 times:

So everything is said!

User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 814 times:

I think It would be smart of US to take its faith in its own hands and strike seperate deals some of the transatlantic airlines to execute their European flights in codeshare...

AMS with KL/NW, CDG with AF etc..




User currently offlineN2111J From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 148 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 790 times:

That's excellent news on the US Air transatlantic service!

And I just have to say ContinentalEWR, it's no secret that US Airways is in tenuous financial shape due to several factors, but the rest of your post shows the maturity level of an 8 year old.

Mike


User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 774 times:

Which of the other US airlines is USAir most closely tied?

Also,I can understand airlines like NW forking out for new 32xs when they still had 727s flying but US's 737 arent that old really!


User currently offlineAA717driver From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1566 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 772 times:

Again, look at Steve Wolf's history. He bought Airbuses for UAL even though they were still receiving 737's. He has surely cut a deal with AB to get "consideration" when he orders planes.TC


FL450, M.85
User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 772 times:

UA needed soem planes that could trans-America non-stop but they didnt need to get so many at such a stage argubly!I also wonder why BA ordered the 320s when their 734s arent particularly accient!

User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 769 times:

Mike , "No hostile language or criticizing of others", grow up !

25 Ryefly : I suppose anything is possible these days. However, with a large expansion of both PHL's and CLT's international terminals which are both to open this
26 Haveric : Donder -- US bought the narrowbody Airbus planes to replace older DC-9, 727s, and 737-200s. There are nor were there ever plans to replace newer 737-3
27 SR 103 : I also just flew USAirways to Europe for Spring Break and believe me they were cheap. Orlando to Frankfurt was only $415, though at one point Continen
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