Hkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 1 Posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2735 times:
Take a look at this photo. Is flying a 747 without one engine OK ??. I know you can do ferry flights with a engine out but with the entire engine missing !!!!!!. Just hope one of the other three don't die I guess !
L-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29350 posts, RR: 62 Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2317 times:
Thats something that you don't see every day.
I assume it is safe since they got permisson to do it.
This of course as the photographer mentioned isn't a revenue flight. It is a ferry flight.
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Gmonney From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2158 posts, RR: 22 Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2084 times:
Hkg_clk,
No you can not take off with only one engine, you have to have two working engines to take off.....this is a by memory and its not to good, but I believe that you can not transport passengers without having all engines operational.....again....i remember reading this before?
TechRep From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2095 times:
This is Connie Kalitta's son Scott Kalitta's airline. I worked for this outfit for 8 months in LAX, it was my first line maintenance job, 11 years ago.
This airline as well as Kalitta Flying Service is well known to be very unsafe and sub-standard practices are always the norm.
In fact the VP of Maintenance was prosecuted for stealing two Radio Altimeters from an Emery DC-8 many years ago. He stands the only person I have ever known to have his license permanently revoked.
To say the least they are a bottom dwelling cargo airline that will ADHOC any freight, in fact Connie has some landing rights into the most remote regions of the world.
An FAA inspector approached me on the ramp one day and he told me, "If you value your A&P license you better not work for this guy too much longer", he meant well and I quit some time after.
DL3744 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 110 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1979 times:
whoa thats not safe at all. i understand planes can go on 1 engine but that just doesnt look right.
Dripstick From Canada, joined Dec 2001, 2364 posts, RR: 24 Reply 14, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1958 times:
I don't know enough about engines and pylons to say if that gap in number 3's pylon is normal, but I've searched through the database for simialr pics and can't find any.
Maybe someone on the Tech/Ops forum would enlighten us.
Theiler From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 633 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1905 times:
Oscoda is in Northern Lower Michigan (I presume that is the "Oscoda" they are talking about). The former Wursmith Air Force base is located there. It's about 130 miles north/northeast of Saginaw.
FDXmech From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3251 posts, RR: 38 Reply 17, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1859 times:
Hello Dripstick
If you're referring to the gap in #4 engine, this slot allows the thrust reverser sleeve to slide aft during thrust reverser deployment.
LMML 14/32 From Malta, joined Jan 2001, 2559 posts, RR: 7 Reply 19, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1799 times:
How long is the runway at Ostend? I never thought 747's could land there. Was this plane loaded with pax? Looks like that landing was hardly a grease !!
PW100 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 1983 posts, RR: 10 Reply 20, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1724 times:
Holy cow!! Now this gives new meaning to captains transmission to ATC: "Center: We like to declare an emergency, we just lost an engine...".
Seen five engines under a 747, but only three...
Anyway, if the engine is inoperative for the complete [ferry] flight, why don't just get rid of it... It's only ballast and drag, no use carring it around. Won't be too much of a problem to trim a 747 with one engine missing, especially if its the inboard engine. Several 737 landed safely with an engine fallen off the aircraft...
Lift off might be somewhat of an experiance considering untrimmed rolling moment though...
PW100
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Solnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 786 posts, RR: 2 Reply 21, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1694 times:
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Over my dead body!!!!!
Whatkinda people would fly in that steelcoffin.
The 4th engine looks like its gonna fly on its
own way.......*Jeeezuz*
VgnAtl747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1492 posts, RR: 2 Reply 22, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1646 times:
Well, I guess the question is how much would you ask to be paid to fly on one of that airline's aircraft.
Vc10 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1382 posts, RR: 17 Reply 23, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1624 times:
All 4 engined aircraft can get clearance to 3-engine ferry aircraft normally to the nearest base where repairs can be carried out. Only the minimum crew can be on board and stringent extra preflight checks have to be carried out. I must say it is more normal to do a 3-engine ferry with all 4 engines attached even if only 3 are working.
This picture jogged my memory and I found a picture in my Lockheed Constellation book of a Pan Am
Constellation 049 back in the late 1940's .It's No 4 engine caught fire in flight and eventually dropped off,and after the aircraft had landed it was decided to remove the rest of the nacelle an fair in the wing. The aircraft was then flown back to Lockheed's factory on the west coast for repairs. I would have included the picture but being an old hydraulic and engine oil man I am not that clever with these electronic things [Sorry]
Filejw From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 351 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1616 times:
3 eng on 4 eng a/c and 2 eng on 3 eng a/c are legal with a ferry permit from the FAA.JW
26 ExitRow: This looks to me like the airline version of the guy driving his car around with duct-taped plastic over a missing rear window because he's too cheap
27 Ups763: Can anyone shed some light on the gap between #4 and the pylon? At least they found the crack in the #3 pylon before it was too late. Matt
28 AAgent: What airline was this again? "Hoopty Airways", perhaps. All in good fun, AAgent
29 Exnonrev: TechRep's post reminds me of something an A&P friend of mine once told me about Kalitta's operation. If the Kalitta family maintained their drag race
30 EE-Kay: OH MY GOD! Reading this thread is very funny!?
32 Heavymetal: I've toured Oscoda, the former Wurtsmith. It's a proverbial junkyard of planes being stripped...I remember a few ex Eastern 727s and a coupla ex-Briti
33 Cedarjet: "That airplane is a pure mess", "I wouldn't fly with that airline" etc etc. I don't know anything about the airline's reputation but I've never heard
34 Climbout: I wasn't just talking about the engine being off when I said the plane was a pure mess (eventhough that's a factor), I was also referring to the condi
35 Yyz717: Are you sure it's not just a typical flight on a PIA 742? hehehe
36 Heavymetal: Let me qualify. When I said 'neglect' I meant cleanliness, appearence, and, having spent a lot of time in the area because my folks have a home up the
37 FDXmech: Ups 763 The gap is a slot designed to allow the thrust reverser sleeve to translate aft into the pylon when the thrust reversers are deployed.
38 Jhooper: Sometimes they can't find the duck tape to secure the engine to the pylon, so sometimes they have to fly without an engine. Just kidding.... Seriously
39 PSU.DTW.SCE: Oscoda, MI (OSC) has a rather large airfield from its Air Force base days. The main runway is 11800 x 300 ft. They had a huge fleet of B-52's & KC-135
41 Iaflyer: tend to look a little rough - why? they aren't washed, like most airliners are. The flying public wouldn't be as happy with a dirty airliner as they w
42 Jon01: Here is some info on this flight from my friend, the Chief Pilot of Kalitta Air: The maintenance ferry flight itself was conducted on April 26, 1997 f
43 Alaskaairlines: I would never be on a a/c with a missing engine! -Dmitry
45 Aerosol: Is thrust reverser deployed only at two engines during landing?
46 Dc10guy: GREAT PIC !!! freight dogs rule .... This type of flight is the kind that cause's a close bond between pilot and mechanic .... Kalittla, Zantop, TCA,
48 Cx flyboy: It's not unusual to see 4 engines aircraft on the ground missing an engine, but flying is much more rare.
49 YoungDon: Simply put, THAT IS NOT COOL... it might be "safe", but really, how many of us would be comfortable piloting that monster, especially over about five
50 Cx flyboy: 3 engine ferry flights are not that rare. When it is done, you have an inop engine out there causing all this drag. It would be better to remove it. I
51 Air2gxs: This is not an engine-out ferry. This is an extremely rare case. The mount system of the #3 pylon was unservicable. Repairs could not be made in the f
52 ILOVEA340: I cpuld just see the pilots breaking the trim tab trying to push it far enough to compensate. thats got to be some ass pilot to fly that plane.
53 CLEfan: Well according to Bill Harms website, N625PL is still in service with Kalitta. The evergreen 747 from anchorage is not so lucky, soon to be broken up
54 Tsentsan: Question: In this scenario, how would the throttle levers react? Would number 3 be in idle position?
56 FredT: This is what a truly shoddy operation would have done: The crack would have been written down anywhere but in the tech log of the aircraft, the aircra
57 Air2gxs: Yes, the throttle would probably be at idle and not touched thru-out the flight. The pylon/firewall area has probably been sealed aginst airflow. Note
58 Hkgspotter1: How many carriers would do this do you think ?? I'm almost 100% sure that 99% would ferry the parts in rather then fly the plane to the parts !!
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