Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
How Is LHR T5 Doing?  
User currently offline777kicksass From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2000, 668 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1262 times:

I had heard that they have started construction but haven't seen anything about it. Have they started or does the dumbass government wan top delay development even further? I think it is a tragredy that the government has let Frankfurt and CDG catch up so much.

11 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlinePW100 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 2326 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1226 times:

How about a third runway at LHR? I understand that one of the principals of getting T5 approval, was no 3rd runway. But I've heard some rumours that the goverment wants to construct three new runways in the South East, and one of them was supposed be at LHR. Is this true, will it ever happen?

PW100



Immigration officer: "What's the purpose of your visit to the USA?" Spotter: "Shooting airliners with my Canon!"
User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1219 times:

LHR already has a 3rd runway  Big grin

User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7329 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1211 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!


This "dumbass government" does have British Law to follow i.e. a statutory Public Enquiry has to be made into major schemes such as these, thereby delaying things along. Not a level playing field when comparing Britain with other European countries.

However, LHR is not government-owned. If you need to gripe about any lack of development work since planning permission was granted, please level it at the appropriate people: the Board of Directors at BAA plc and their subsidiary Heathrow Airport Ltd.

David/MAN


User currently offline777kicksass From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2000, 668 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1196 times:

It doesn't/shouldn't take 20 odd years to approve a public enquiry!

I think the 3 new runways in the south are all in places like Stansted and Luton but I believe one is going to LGW which is sorely needed. In my opinion the government should stop trying to spread out traffic across the South as LHR is the true UK hub and should take all of the traffic from Stansted, Luton etc.

So...... has construction started?

p.s. I am griping about the time it has taken to get planning permission! (20 odd years !!!!!!) I am just happy its finally going to happen but I was wondering if it had started.


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7329 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1184 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Dont know about the construction work, but if it's any consolation, from length of time from public enquiry to operation of the 2nd runway at MAN was 7 years; 4 years after permission was granted. I think T5 is expected to be opened around 2005/6.

On the other bit, if the CAA is expecting a doubling/trebling of traffic in SE England, then even with the best will in the world LHR is not the only answer!

Just looking at a few long-haul routes sees that "bums on seats" can be achieved away from LHR: (CAA December 2001 stats, columns from left to right are route, passengers, change)

LHR-ORD 83425 -13.60%
MAN-ORD 17789 +88.72%

LHR-JFK 163489 -23.12%
MAN-JFK 10129 -20.12%

LHR-DXB 70963 +6.25%
LGW-DXB 14423 +14.57%
MAN-DXB 14342 +2.61%
BHX-DXB 11735 +204.73% (service began mid-December 2000)

LHR-SIN 87195 -13.43%
MAN-SIN 13468 +0.45%

LHR-KUL 42751 -6.59%
MAN-KUL 7233 +12.52%

The non-SE England based passengers attracted away from LHR, the better that local (i.e. SE England) expected demand can be filled at LHR.

David/MAN


User currently offlinePW100 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 2326 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1182 times:

Donder10
Excuse me. I mean off course the 4th runway...
And I always considered LHR to be a two-runway airport.., how foolishly ignorant of me!

777kicksass
I know what you mean. What a load of horses..t that they needed 10 years to get a planning permit...only to construct a terminal. For Godsake, it is being built on a sewerage right in between two active runways!!! Now T5 will be real waste of greenland...

PW100



Immigration officer: "What's the purpose of your visit to the USA?" Spotter: "Shooting airliners with my Canon!"
User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1172 times:

I know PW100 ,I was being sarci. If they were to build a third real runway then it would cost a ton just moving people from where the runway would be.Theres need to be a better long-term outlook on things like this.

User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1167 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

The problem with the British government is all the beauracracy that comes with it, while the French and Germans just get on and go ahead with important infrastructure projects (i.e new airport terminals), we seem to dwell on it and go through pointless and time wasting public inquiries and all the other baggage that comes with it.

Little suprise T5 took decades to decide, but at least the government has woken up and realised the whole process is painfully slow and time consuming. Good job they're changing the whole process.

Arsenal@LHR



In Arsene we trust!!
User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1162 times:

Exactly Gooner!T5 is going to be beneficial to the economy.Heathrow indirectly employs an amazing amount of people.I was thinking about it today when I was there and it was pouring down!At least I saw G-BIKS!

User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1145 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

It sucks when it rains when you go out to do some spotting


In Arsene we trust!!
User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8869 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1140 times:

My first solution to LHR is NOT to build a third runway. If I recall (if wrong, someone please update me), LHR has a noise deal with the locals that says one runway is used from 0600-1500 and the other runway is used from 1500-2300. If this is true, then if I were the BAA, I would open up both runways at the same time, thus doubling the number of movements. If not, then build the third runway (excl. 5/23).

Jeff


Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
How Is LHR T5 Going? posted Sun May 12 2002 18:50:43 by 777kicksass
How Is LHR T5 Doing? posted Sat Mar 16 2002 16:48:18 by 777kicksass
How Is MEX-China Doing? posted Sun Dec 10 2006 01:38:41 by PPVRA
How Is Jade Cargo Doing? posted Tue Oct 24 2006 21:53:50 by GECMD11
CLE How Is Destination One Doing? posted Sun Sep 24 2006 06:49:07 by Ca2ohHP
How Is DL (Connection) Doing On LGA-DFW posted Wed Sep 20 2006 18:26:39 by Jr
How Is Kuwait Airways Doing? posted Sat Oct 29 2005 23:14:12 by MD90fan
How Is C6/UP Doing? posted Tue Sep 27 2005 15:24:52 by MD90fan
How Is North American Doing ACC-JFK posted Mon Aug 1 2005 22:15:45 by Dkny
How Is BOI-ATL Doing? posted Wed Jul 20 2005 00:31:16 by Blackhawk144